Episode 210: Health, Hair and Energy Modalities ft. Kathryn Eipl

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Johanna: Welcome Kathryn to the Alopecia Angel podcast. It’s such a delight to have you here today. Thank you so much for your time and for your sharing your wisdom and expertise. Today, we will be talking about anxiety and how you help people overcome this.

Kathryn: Yes. Thank you so much for having me on your podcast.

Johanna: My pleasure. So tell us a little bit how you got into this, but then also what your method for helping people with anxiety looks like.

Kathryn: Sure, I think like most people, when you get into a service industry such as working with people and regulation for emotions, it is because you needed that at one point in your life. So initially it came out of my own process, my own healing journey. I was working in entertainment where stress and emotions are suppressed, and that’s normalized within the industry because everything needs to happen right away. And so you just have to keep moving. Similar to most people, I learned how to cope by disconnecting from my body. And so over time, that showed up as burnout with unhealthy coping mechanisms such as overusing substances.

I just had a moment where I had emotionally, mentally hit rock bottom and that was just enough for me to really wanna take control and change the trajectory of my life. So I devoted so much time into learning how to connect my body again and regulate my nervous system, so that I could actually listen to what my body was telling me. I did that through yoga, some somatic practices, reiki, sound therapy and coaching work. Specifically cognitive behavioral therapy. And from that point on, I just dedicated myself to that part of my life.

I still kept working in entertainment with the idea that I wanted to shift out of that entertainment industry somehow. And the more that I kept doing yoga, the more that I dove into my studies, people, coworkers would come up to me and ask me, what are you doing? You’re, there’s something different about you, so like, what are you doing? And I would share with them just all the different practices. And then they would start asking me about yoga, about energy work. And that’s when I realized that there were more people that actually were interested in this line of work, this type of healing modalities than I had realized. So I would share with them what I knew, and out of that’s really when I decided to just make it something that I offer to people.

Johanna: I think it’s so beautiful that when we embody our new life, when we embody our new trajectory, our new path, our new everything that we’re creating that people notice and that people want that.

Kathryn: Yeah.

Johanna: So beautiful because when you find people who live in integrity, who live and breathe what they teach, who live and breathe, how they help people, that is almost like the unicorns that are out there. There’s many, but there’s also many people living outside of integrity. For example I met a weight loss coach here recently and she’s in her mid 40s and she helps midlife people women in particular lose weight naturally holistically, diet and lifestyle, all the things. All focused on weight loss. However, she confided in me that she started taking a GLP-1 and she lost the 20 pounds that were like nagging on her for the last couple years in like 3 months.

And I was just like: Okay, no judgment. However, you’re not living in integrity. And I find this on and on and on and on. I just saw yesterday in the news, like this coach in California was now with access to young girls, went down the wrong path and now is like in jail for all these things. It’s a constant, whether it’s teachers or leaders or popes or priests or weight loss coach or hair loss coaches like, it’s rampant. And I’m like, why is there such a lack of integrity with people? And to me, I hold integrity so tightly because it’s who you are. It represents who you are. Your name, not just your business, but your name, like who you show up as. It has an ethical side to it, of course, but then it also it attracts or doesn’t attract people to you.

Like how would you be if you were, going down the wrong route, addicted to ice cream or anything else, how would you be helping others? Impossible. Just like me, bald in front of you. There’s no way I could be helping people with hair loss. It doesn’t work that way.

Kathryn: Yeah. It’s so interesting that you bring up integrity because last week I’d had an interview and the conversation turned into living in integrity with who you are, what you do. So I think it’s something that more and more people are becoming aware of where they’re noticing that the offers that people have out there, whether it’s a weight loss coach or someone who’s saying that they’re gonna heal you with energy or hair loss coaches or what have you. Like more people are starting, especially with AI because there’s a lot of things that we need to look out for.

So I think AI has prompted people to start looking at all of the details to determine if it’s a real person and then if it is a real person: Okay, what is their life actually are they living in accordance with what they are sharing, with what they’re ,teaching? So every year I pick a word to really focus on instead of doing in new year intentions, I pick a word and have that be my theme of the year. So integrity is actually my word for 2026 because I’ve just noticed there are like small things that I could tweak in my own lifestyle to refine myself and be even truer to what it is that I teach, what I offer. And no one

pointed that out to me. No one said: Hey, you’re living out of integrity. It’s just things that I’ve noticed where I’m like, okay, like I have been eating more sugar recently, and you can develop like sugar cravings and lean into that, especially for comfort. I’m like: Yeah I don’t wanna develop that.

So I’m just gonna tighten that for myself and keep going and I can use all of the tools that I work with my clients with to help with that. I love that integrity just is becoming aware. There’s more awareness to it, and I love that more and more people are questioning for themselves are they living in integrity? And then you have the people who are sweeping it under the rug, which as you said, when you’re in integrity, people are drawn to you. So the people that are sweeping it under the rug, they’re probably gonna see a decline in their business and their circle of people that they hang out with as well.

Johanna: And the thing is too, it’s like as someone who loves to grow and help others grow too. I always find it that I wanna surround myself by people with integrity as well, it’s twofold. It’s not just me, but it’s those around me. I think maybe for listeners, they can start asking themselves like: How do you know if you’re out of integrity? If you don’t do what you’re gonna say, you’re gonna do, so for example, even if you’re 5 minutes late five minutes late already makes you out of integrity. You should have been there 5 minutes before you were supposed to arrive.

And it’s something small as arriving on time. Or even something bigger where a favor was involved and then last minute you cancel or you don’t even show up. And to me, when you have this habit or these patterns of canceling all the time or doing things last minute or what have you, that’s an area that potentially that needs to be tweaked in and of itself. And then of course, there’s diet, there’s lifestyle, there’s, settling or accepting, certain behaviors and attitudes from people or having to say okay, and settle because of one excuse or two, or three or four different types of excuses. Or let’s say because it’s family or because it’s a friend or because your friend is married to Tom and you don’t like Tom, you just accept it and go with the flow.

I have like strong boundaries and I think those strong boundaries have allowed so much freedom and so much peace in my life where if you’re not in integrity or if you’re. Just not, I don’t know, giving me good vibes. Then we’re just gonna just cut it off right here, like no harm, no foul. I’m just like not feeling it.

Kathryn: That’s reading someone’s energy. So not every single energy is going to mesh with another person’s energy. I’m very similar. It’s like the person may have done absolutely nothing wrong, they’re just living their life the way that they wanna live it. But energetically it’s just not a match for me and that person. That’s okay. No harm, no foul. Lovingly wish you the best. I’m gonna be over here. You can be over there doing what you do. Keep going that way.

Johanna: So tell me, how do you work your clients energetically?

Kathryn: Yeah, so I do a couple of different things with them. So initially my business, my practice all started with yoga, and then I started incorporating cognitive behavioral therapy because with yoga for myself, I noticed it just got to a point when I was really ready to change and transition my lifestyle. There was a lot of emotions that I had been suppressing, and yoga can help those emotions be released within the body. And at the height of my yoga practice, at that time, I would be doing yoga and I’d just start crying, like just start bawling. It was to the point where I had a dedicated journal by my yoga mat. Where I would just stop doing yoga and write down the feelings, write down the thoughts that were coming through.

And as I was doing that, I noticed that a lot of my thoughts about myself, about the way that I was living were very negative. It was very much saying that I was along the lines of a terrible person and not worth much. Those things weren’t true, but that’s what I was telling myself. And in order to shift those thoughts, I turned to cognitive behavioral therapy and started to look for the evidence that those thoughts were true. Of course, there was very little evidence that those thoughts were true. So then it was shifting my attention to what is happening in my reality? What is the evidence that goes against these thoughts?

I was able to see that I’m a very kind, caring person. I wanna make sure that I’m taking care of all those around me are taken care of. That helped me build new thought patterns for myself. And from there I got introduced to reiki, which is a form of energy work. I like to describe it as a massage for your energy as it’s assessing where your own energetic imbalances are, and then working to connect all the lines of communications, all the different energy systems together in your body, so they’re all communicating and you can function at a better level.

And so I use Reiki yoga and CBT, and I also do sound therapy, so that is a great way to really, no pun intended, amplify the energy so that it really comes up to the surface. Because if you are suppressing a lot of emotions or even past situations that you haven’t processed it. And they can start to cause physical illnesses, physical imbalances. So with sound, it really helps penetrate the body and can help shift the cells in your body by shaking the individual water particles. So it’s actually helping restructure the physical composition of the cell, which is really cool to me.

With that, it helps to bring those emotions, those memories to the surface. So sometimes especially if you’re really working through it, your first few sound healing sessions can be a little bit more difficult. They can be a little bit more uncomfortable because in order to get through it, you have to experience it, you have to go through it. By pushing down those emotions, you’re just delaying the time in which you feel them. So the sound and Reiki really provide the space for you to do that.

Johanna: Can you describe what reiki is? I know what reiki is, but for those who have no idea, who’ve never done yoga or who’ve never done reiki, or have never even heard of this word please explain what reiki is just in case.

Kathryn: Sure, I’d love to. So reiki means universal life force energy in Japanese, and it operates under the notion that everything is comprised of energy. So there’s energy in you, there’s energy in me, there’s energy flowing all around us, and what reiki does, I feel like this is a common misconception, because I get this question a lot from people who are new to reiki or who have never heard of it, but the practitioner is not putting their energy in you. I just wanna be clear about that. I’m not putting my energy into people. The practitioner is a conduit for the collective energy. So in a sense, you’re becoming that open channel. Tapping into the collective energy. And helping using that to direct the person’s energy around.

So if there will identify if there are any areas where your energy is stuck, where it might be moving slower. If you think about your body, because we all know we have the meridian system. So if you think about that system almost as like a motherboard and a computer, if you have one area that’s short circuiting, there’s usually another area that’s trying to compensate for that. So you have one area that’s frying out. One part in your energetic body might be trying to overcompensate and work really hard. So once those are identified, the rest of the session then becomes working on smoothing those imbalances out, helping remove those blockages so that we can connect all the different energy centers in your body together, make sure all the energetic channels are open.

Reiki has so many benefits. It is designed specifically to help trigger the parasympathetic nervous system, which is, that state the relaxation, getting you out of the fight or flight. So with that, it helps with anxiety, stress, it can help, with depression, it’s been known to help with insomnia, high blood pressure. It’s also been shown that it helps with chronic pain such as and joint inflammation. And recently, in the past about 5 to 8 years, there have been a lot of studies done that show.

Reiki helps with the symptoms that the cancer treatment brings on. So with chemo and radiation, there’s a lot of fatigue and nausea that can happen to the body, and Reiki helps combat those symptoms. So I think it’s really good to get Reiki as a supplement if anyone is going through some treatment like that. As for how many sessions does someone need? That all depends on what they’re going through and what is going on in their energy.

One of the beautiful things about Reiki is that every session can be different based on what the participant is experiencing. So if they come in with frazzled, stressed energy, then that session is gonna be more focused on bringing them into a calmer state, reducing that frazzled. If they’re working on grief and loss, then there is probably gonna be a lot of sadness living, around the heart and the hips. So that might require a couple of different sessions to really open that space so that it can be released.

Johanna: Okay, beautifully said. Sometimes I think about doing things on a regular basis or a consistent basis, or even like a plan, a planned out strategy. A lot of times too, instead of just being like: Oh, my neck hurts, I need to go see my chiro. How about let’s do a check-in every, I don’t know month, couple weeks. I don’t know, like what would

you recommend somebody do in terms of reiki? Your chiro, my chiro at least tells me come see me weekly. I’m just like: I don’t need you weekly.

But yeah, there’s always like an agenda there, right? So maybe it’s once a quarter or once a month? I think once a month is a good. Is a good frame a good possibility? Commitment, time-wise, all of these things. What would you say?

Kathryn: So when I’m working with people who are shifting patterns of addiction, I see them biweekly, so every 2 weeks because a lot can shift energetically, when you’re really focused on removing a pattern from your life, doesn’t necessarily have to be substance use. And then when they feel a little bit more stable in their choices, then we drop down to once a month. I also have clients that are for like regular maintenance and upkeep. It’s once a month.

So I would suggest once a month and if you are really working on something emotionally that you need a lot of support with or even just want that extra support because going through things like grief and loss that’s really heavy and once a month might not be enough for that. So I would start with twice a month doing every other week and see how that feels.

Johanna: And during the holidays there is a heaviness cloak on people. The holidays do trigger emotions. It triggers so many things for people. Sometimes it’s a great thing and everyone’s in this jolly spirit. And then other times it could be a little doom and gloom. You just don’t know how certain times of the year will, trigger people for sentiments and memories or the past or even what could have been, and all these other ideas in their head. So talk to me a little bit more about your behavioral, your cognitive behavioral therapy.

Kathryn: Sure. So with all the modalities that I use, I’ve created the neuro resonance method, which is a combination of some sort of movement. Doesn’t always have to be yoga because not everybody feels yoga, right? Some people would rather prefer to run or go work out, but it is important that we’re moving the physical body in some way. So it’s a movement-based practice. Sound therapy, reiki, and behavioral therapy. With that people will come to me with something that they want to change in their life. So for this example, let’s say that they want to shift the belief that they are not worthy worthy of healing. I was just gonna say that actually.

Johanna: Yeah, that’s a big one. A lot of people think that like, why? Why? Why should I heal when there’s so many other people who are out there sick? Why not you like this is the way we help people is like when you heal, then you can help somebody else.

Kathryn: Yeah. And you can’t function, you can’t help if you’re not functioning at your best. It’s also a journey. There’s always gonna be more that you can do, more that you can work through. Once you succeed in one area, you’re like: Oh, this, I can refine this and work on this. So say you’re working with that example, you believe you’re not worthy of healing and at the same time, you know that there’s a lot of stuff that you’ve

been carrying, whether it’s your stuff or loved ones, friends, family, we work on first. Identifying that thought and where it shows up in your life, how does it show up?

Does it keep you from taking initiative, does it keep you from going to the gym? Does it keep you from shifting your diet to something a little bit healthier rather than eating processed foods primarily then? We create a goal as to what it is that you want. Like how do you wanna live? What would your life look like if you did believe that you were worthy of healing? What would you be doing in a day? How would you carry yourself? How would you speak? So once we have all of those details laid out, that’s like our goal. That’s what we’re aiming for. Then it’s time to what I call unravel the sweater. So we’re gonna pull apart that thought of not feeling worthy enough.

That thought often comes from experiences that happened in the past. Typically in. Childhood or the teen years, then it’s reminding the body that we’re in a completely different time and space than when those thoughts first occurred. And that’s where the energy work will come in, because we wanna remind the nervous system, remind the body. That we are safe. So before we can go deeper into the work, it’s taking a moment some time to really ground and to feel the body. Where do these thoughts or feelings show up? Is there a sensation that you physically feel? Whether it’s maybe a really warm sensation? Sometimes it can almost feel like pain.

So we’ll identify that. And target that through reiki and sound therapy. And also that’s what the movement is for. Because once we know where it’s living in the body, we can create stretches to help open and release that area and use breath work to help guide the breath there and do some nice visualization of how breathing in like this beautiful, warm, golden light. And then when you exhale, you’re sending it down to that part in the body and watching that pain or that sensation, whatever it may be, disintegrate out of your body, out of the energetic body until it’s just completely gone. It’s just faded out into the distance so far where you can’t even see it.

And then we’ll revisit the cognitive behavioral side of it and start looking for examples that go against the initial belief. So here we would be looking for examples that you are worthy of healing. The first example would be one that you have decided to do something about it, that you’re ready to shift that. Another example is that you’ve already actively started working on it just by talking about it, right? So those examples often are very long and typically outweigh the examples of not feeling worthy and every each day it’s making one little change of: Okay, you have everything written down about the person you wanna be, the person who believes that they are worthy of healing.

So then it’s holding yourself in integrity to that. And maybe you just watch how you speak about yourself for a week. Like instead of catching yourself when you say negative things, and then automatically just shifting it out loud so you’re letting you’re getting used to yourself hearing the positive change. Because once we believe what we hear, and even if we say it for ourselves. Even if we don’t believe it at first when we’re saying it with repetition, we start to believe it. We start to feel that’s possible, and then that becomes motivating in and of itself.

I believe I’m worthy of healing. You know what I’m gonna do? I’m gonna go to the gym and work out today, or I’m gonna schedule another reiki session because I feel like I could use some help moving some of this energy through my body. Maybe it’s even scheduling an appointment with your chiropractor or a doctor because you’re like: I don’t know the last time I got a physical and I wanna take care of myself because I’m worthy of healing. So let’s be proactive.

Johanna: Yeah, so true. I find that when people are waiting for a diagnosis, when they’re waiting for symptoms, when they’re waiting for the ball to drop, that’s when the ball becomes very big and even heavier than it should be, and more proactive. And I think this is one of the biggest lessons I learned with alopecia going through it myself, is that no longer am I waiting and let me just preface that is that I was always on top of all my annual checkups. By conventional medicine standards, I was always on top of my dental cleanings, I was always on top of everything.

As I mentioned earlier, I have planned most things out as much as possible. I do leave a little room for spontaneity, but when it comes to doctor’s appointments, there is no spontaneity. Unless it’s an emergency, right? That’s the only, that’s the only spontaneous appointment that you would have as an emergency. So I always like plan this out, have reminders on my calendar, this type of thing. But even when alopecia just came out of nowhere type thing, that one of the biggest lessons out of that was to now be extremely proactive with my health and it’s no longer about just planning the basics now it’s going above and beyond. And going above and beyond I think has allowed me and even my clients to keep their hair long term.

I healed myself. It’s been 10 years now, alopecia free. It’s just, it’s one of those things where you don’t have to worry about it, and it’s this peace of mind when you’re proactive with your health that you can do so much more for yourself. And I’m thinking about somebody in particular, she has this pain in her jaw and her tooth. Not a client, but a family friend and it’s been going on for 6 months, and I’m like: Why? Why 6 months? Why is it taking this long for you to do something? Why are you just okay with what one person, one doctor, one, one diagnosis, one opinion one, you know what I mean? There’s just so much out there to do.

Living in pain. Whether it’s physical pain or whether it’s mental or emotional, or any type of pain or worry or concern in regards to our health, I think deserves the utmost attention immediately because the longer it lingers, the worse it gets. It’s not gonna get any better if you do nothing. It’s not gonna resolve on its own, whether it’s the pain in his jaw or grief or anything else it’s not gonna resolve on its own. It needs help. And so this is a call to action for all my listeners. If you’re going through something, which more than likely you’re going through hair loss, but you may be going through other things too.

It’s a call to action to get going, to put the foot on the gas pedal and start being proactive because it’s not going to resolve on its own. And even when you have, let’s say, the autoimmune alopecia and you have the sporadic bald spot, and then it like closes up

real quick like a clam, what I’ve seen is that every time that this sporadicness happens, it just gets bigger and bigger until it’s so big where it’s really calling your attention and by this time you’ve already lost eyelashes, eyebrows, maybe your full head, maybe all the hair on your body. Why get to that point when we can mitigate it now where it’s small? Think of it as the forest fire. You wanna grab it when it’s small, not when it’s already, uncontrollable only 20% contained this type of thing. We know what forest fires do, so let’s not destroy more than what we should and reign it in.

Kathryn: Yeah, and if you catch it and work with it at the early stages, then you have a better chance of getting all of that back at a quicker rate, right? Because if the whole forest burns, that’s gonna take a long time to get back to a healthy spot for your the gut biome in your body to recalibrate and for your nervous system to understand that it can regenerate, hair can regenerate most things. And so if it’s all completely gone, then there’s a lot more work to do to recoup all of that to recover. So if you catch it at it’s infancy, or as soon as you notice it, the better it’ll be, the easier and faster it’ll be to take care of that and to respond.

I think that’s something that a lot of people get scared about, right? Because when something happens like that, they think: Oh, why me, or I’m alone in this. They don’t necessarily start looking for help or other avenues that they can turn to.

Johanna: What I’ve noticed that when, with like health, especially health challenges or any diagnosis that we’re going for, I choose, and this is the key word here, I choose to see them as almost a learning lesson. What is it here that I need to learn? What is it here that I need to reevaluate? What is it here that I need to think, do and believe differently? Think do, and live differently in order for this not to happen again. And yeah, just like anything else, just if you had a bad breakup with somebody or a car accident, or a mishap, you broke a glass, what is it that needs to happen differently or precautionary checks and balances so that this doesn’t happen again? Same thing.

That’s the way I think a little bit. And so with alopecia, it’s the same way. It’s just, it’s a slew of learning lessons that we can implement change and then not have to live again. Not have to suffer through that again. And I think maybe for your clients, it’s the same way. It’s all a learning lesson and it’s all, a reframe. It’s all a different choice in how we choose to live. And again it’s all a choice.

Kathryn: Yeah, beautifully said. What were some of the things that you did to help yourself heal from alopecia?

Johanna: I did so many things. I always say that healing alopecia is holistic. It’s mind, body, and spirit. It’s all of it together. And depending on each person our triggers, our imbalances, our root causes are all gonna look a little different for each person. We’re not all the same. Even if it was two twin sisters or two twin brothers that are going through alopecia at the same time. Again, root causes, and they might overlap. Just like I might overlap on many things, but there’s other things where we’re different. And it’s the same thing when it comes to factors to healing. And in my case, there was

numerous, but because I had no guide, because I had no no program, no, no nothing, I was bouncing around doctors in Europe and also in the US.

It was really seeing what that landscape looked like first, evaluating what they had said and seeing if it resonated with me or it was in alignment with me for my future. At the time I was dating and I was almost engaged, not quite engaged, but getting there already, having talks with my now husband. And it was that type of thing where if I get married then I want kids, and if I want kids, I want healthy kids.

Kathryn: Right.

Johanna: And my healthy kids are more important to me than my hair. And there’s so much more important to me, and this is why I chose the natural route because God forbid I go down the route of medications, which for any of you listening, you can grab that free PDF on my website and see all the side effects, negative side effects that these medications give you, whether you’re a male or female, and the ramifications of that and how at the end of the day it’s all gonna backfire because our bodies are not meant to be on medications for life.

So sorry, I’m the bearer of bad news. Whether it’s a JAK inhibitor, a steroid cream, or anything else. Like at some point it’s gonna backfire. It’s not gonna work, you’re gonna have a reaction, or you’re gonna have a ,negative side effect that you’re not gonna but one of the three or all three are gonna happen. I didn’t do any of it because I knew I had done my research and this is what many people don’t do. I had done my research and I was like: Nope, all of this seems too chancy for just a 10% opportunity for hair growth. None of these medications give you the full hair growth guarantee. None of it does.

So if there’s no guarantee except for possible side effects and all these other negative things, I was just like: No, that’s not me. Not doing it. Fertility is so much more important, especially when you’re in your 30s, not chacing it, no. It’s a risk I didn’t wanna take. So I went the natural and holistic route and in this, you’re throwing all kinds of things to the wall to see what sticks. And it wasn’t until year 4, year 4, mind you, that finally this veil of symptoms allowed me to feel like my old self.

Kathryn: Wow.

Johanna: And the thing is people think alopecia is just hair loss and it’s not. It was insomnia, which I never had before. It was dry eyes and dry skin, which I never had before. It was of course massive hair loss, the bald spots, but then all over hair shedding as well. It was also depression, anxiety, and all these other ancillary things that I had never gone through or done before. I’ve never felt depression, I never felt anxious before. I never felt lethargic before. I never felt that I couldn’t even just mindfully walk on the treadmill. Before, like it was so hard for me to get outta bed and make lunch. My memory was zapped. I couldn’t remember my grocery list.

And mind you, like I am, you hear me now, i’m very energetic. I have lots of energy. This is me every day. This is me every day, my whole entire life, except for that period of alopecia. That period of alopecia, I was a complete zombie. I just couldn’t function. And I didn’t know that it was all due to this tsunami of something called alopecia. I had no idea. I thought alopecia was just the hair loss. I thought it was the diagnosis of the hair loss and that was it. And lo and behold, it was a bigger, greater landscape of health issues that were just, falling on me like rain, snowballing. It was scary, it was horrifying. And for somebody at her healthiest, for somebody who was fit and lean on the outside who had the personal trainer, who was going to the gym, I couldn’t muster the strength to do anything.

I was useless in many ways. Like I could barely make lunch. To see coming over all this, all of it’s just a learning lesson. It’s the beauty of the possibility for a new change, a new way, a new everything. And a lot of it stems from understanding you, being self-aware, understanding your blind spots and your triggers. But how do you know what all this is unless you’re guided? And so that was like the start of wanting to help others because of course in your journey you’re coming along you’re banding together with other people who are going through your same situation, and maybe for you it was the same, right?

You’re getting to know people, whether it’s online or in person who also have alopecia, who’ve also been dealing with this, and you’re banding together, but no one’s healing. And you see what they’re doing. So you’re like: Okay, I’m not gonna do any of that because none of that’s working for them. So right, let’s not do that. So let’s do something alternative. And lo and behold, that’s where I got the results. And lo and behold, it took 4 years. But I knew people needed to know. I knew people needed answers, results more than anything, results.

Kathryn: That’s spectacular. It’s such an inspiring story because it’s something that like you had to face for yourself, right? You could have chosen to go the Western medical route and take medications, but there was something in you that was like: No, not right. I’m gonna research this though. You got that confirmation and found a way that really worked for you, and I love that you had the belief of no, it’s not just physical, it’s mind, body and energy, connection, all of it. Because that’s really, it’s all of it. That’s exactly what I believe too. And that’s when you have something that’s an emotional, whether that’s anxiety, social anxiety, or you’re using and abusing substances, there’s a deeper root for that, right? Those things are symptoms of something that is living within you, whether it’s a deep rooted belief or something that you constantly keep being told, and it is a combination of all 3 of those things, right? The physical, the mental, and the energetic emotional space.

Johanna: You have to look at everything. You have to uncover everything to get to where you’re going. It really is that way. But the cherry on top was being 40 years old and getting pregnant on the first try. So it like confirmed everything. It was just like, you’ve been on the right path and this is definitely the way to go if it’s like upgrading your fertility with not even a second thought. I feel like anyone who’s in integrity and a

practitioner helping others such as yourself, it’s the same way. Like you came from a dark space and out of that dark space, now you bring light to others.

Kathryn: And it’s maybe we didn’t set out to do these things. I don’t know if, 10 years ago you would’ve been like: I’m gonna help people with hair loss. Probably not. You were probably on a completely different career trajectory. And that’s where I was. Like if someone told me 10 years ago that I would be working in the health and wellness industry, helping people navigate through anxiety, social anxiety breakups and addictions, I would’ve laughed in their face and been like: No way. Like I’ve been training my whole life to work in entertainment, to be a production manager, to be a producer like that is what I’m doing.

So it isn’t until you have that shift, that change within yourself where you acknowledge that your darkness, the thing that you went through, can become your greatest offering to people because you aren’t the only one that went through it. You aren’t the only one that felt like they were stuck looking for help. For me it was similar, like I didn’t know who to turn to. Like I was seeing a therapist and a coach and when you have anxiety, a quick fixes to put you on anti-anxiety meds or antidepressants and I knew that I didn’t wanna do those things because I’d seen what that does to people and it’s also really hard to move off of them.

So it is a big process that revolves slowly titrating the dosage down. And that wasn’t something that I was willing to do. I just knew, I was like: There is a way to do this. Because yes, my body has an imbalance. And. It doesn’t mean that I only have to look at the chemicals that are being produced in my brain. If my body has an imbalance, everything is energy, so even chemicals are energy. So how can I work on shifting the energy and work on shifting the mental state? And so everything’s connected. It’s really having the whole picture by looking at everything. It’s not just pinpointing it to this one little thing, be cause then we get stuck, we fixate on that one thing and it most likely isn’t gonna solve the problem for us long term. Short term. Sure. But long term there are gonna be other symptoms that pop up.

Johanna: So true. So tell me, how do people work with you? Is it online? Is it in person? Do you do retreats? Do you have a studio? How do people connect with you and where can they connect with you?

Kathryn: Beautiful question. So I do offer all of this virtually. So I though I am based in San Diego. I have a studio space in Oceanside where I offer in person sound healings, reiki. We can do coaching in person. If you’re not in Ocean Beach or San Diego, you can reach out to me virtually and we could set something up very easily. You can find me on social media under the handle of @eiplhealing. And same for TikTok and Facebook, EIPL healing. Or you can go to my website and schedule a session directly from there. And that’s EIPL healing.com.

So I highly recommend checking it out. And then for anyone who’s curious about what cognitive behavioral therapy can do, what the neuro resident method is. I want to offer

you a free session where we’ll start to map out like where you are right now, and then what is that dream, that goal version of yourself that you wanna strive for. So there we’ll start to lay out what that groundwork, that roadmap process from where you are now to where you wanna go would look like.

Johanna: I hope all my listeners take advantage of that. So thank you Kathryn for your generosity that is so beautiful of you. And I’m very excited because I wanna start the year off with lots of things that we can be doing to improve. And so if my listeners are thinking of doing something to improve, even if it’s just out of curiosity, book that session, go speak to Kathryn and see what more we can be doing. Because at the end of the day, that’s what it’s all about. I am a lifelong learner, I can already see that Kathryn is too.

And after seeing a couple documentaries from very highly successful people. I see that’s one thing that they always do. It’s they always learn something new every day. And when you learn something new, when you have this attitude of learning and being open to things, this is where we can have opportunities to improve and to be our best. And so really it’s a journey that we choose and decide to do. And it’s about, just being open and moving forward into that openness.

Kathryn: 100%. We’re here, how can we help each other? How can we support each other? And I can tell you, you love what you do. I love what I do, so I just always want, I’m here to support people any way that I can.

Johanna: I appreciate that. Likewise, Kathryn I’m here for you. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you for all your wisdom and I look forward to hearing back about people who’ve done these calls with you. I’d love to hear and see, how many signed up and hopefully everyone is getting their curiosity quenched and learning more with you.

Kathryn: Yeah, I’d love to. I’ll keep you posted as to how it goes.

Johanna: Please do. Thank you so much.

Kathryn: Take care.

Johanna: Bye-bye.

Kathryn: Bye.