Episode 217: Astrocartography and Your Health Circumstances ft. Kathryn Thompson

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Transcript

Hello everybody and welcome back to the Alopecia Angel Podcast Today I have a fabulous guest here with me. Kathryn Thompson is a Canadian based entrepreneur who inspires people to use their stories as a way to create change in the world. She’s an award-winning marketing and communications expert with more than 20 years of experience combining traditional marketing strategy with astrological insights to help clients align their business decisions with optimal timing.

After growing one of her businesses to close to a million dollars in sales in less than 4 years, she’s sold it with a single email. Kathryn is now the founder of Creatively Owned, a marketing and communication firm that helps entrepreneurs use the power of words to create instant appeal for what they are selling. Now today, Kathryn and I will be talking about Astrocartography, which maybe, many of you have no idea what Astrocartography will go into that. I realize now that we probably need to do a part 2 to this episode because we just dove into the basics this time around, but there’s so much more to go into that’s happening for us right now.

So I’m really excited for to introduce you to Kathryn and also to give you a little peek of how this all came about how astrocartography has played such a big role in my life. How my astrocartographer told me I would be having lots of health issues and not to move to Europe. And when I did, I did have all the health issues. I had tons of health issues. And this is the thing, I didn’t believe ’em and I spent 6 years in this uphill battle of a situation that, just never got better until I left really. But even then, there was a lot of work to do. I ask that you keep an open mind, that you look at this as another tool to your toolbox and that you consider it.

The thing is, there are so many tools out there, and it’s a lot, and it’s very easy to get distracted with one thing or another. However, what I am trying to do with the podcast and with everything else is just to bring awareness. Bring awareness to all the possibilities, to all the opportunities, and to all the things that do and could be affecting us in one way or another. Because at the end of the day, I want you to be healthy. I want you to have your full hair. I want you to thrive, and I want you to live your best life. That’s what I want for you. That’s my mission, because I know healing hair loss is absolutely possible.

Anyone who does the program, the Hair N’ Heal program, gets their hair growth and gets their hair back. Not a doubt whatsoever. It’s really about how much action are we

putting towards this? How much effort are we making ourselves a priority? And these are all the questions that hopefully you’re asking yourself right now as I’m walking through this.

But without further ado, let’s go ahead and introduce Kathryhn I also wanted to take a quick minute to talk about Jenny, congratulations to Jenny. She submitted pictures of her before and after. She had alopecia areata, she’s a busy mom of 2-3 children. She’s in her mid 40s and she came to me end of last year with alopecia areata, and I recently sent out it was about a week ago now. I sent out an email to all my subscribers. So if you’re not subscribed, I highly recommend that you do. because this way you’ll see case studies fresh off the press of my clients and their traction and their progress. So Jenny has full hair growth and she started the program. She was vacillating between doing meds and not doing meds. I told her, don’t do the meds because they’re not gonna help, especially long term.

She got to the root causes and we got her full hair growth and she showcased that in all her pictures, and so I emailed that out to everybody so they can be inspired with her story. She’s actually gonna come on the podcast as well. Another note is that I have a client currently Danielle, who’s inside the program. She has FFA, which is frontal fibrosing alopecia, that is a scarring type of alopecia, and she’s seen hair growth in her eyebrows, hair growth. On her head hair growth on her eyelashes, and she feels so much better than she did before. And she’s only like in week 3 or 4 of doing the program, and she’s already seen hair growth.

I always get a lot of questions about women asking me: Hey, what about scarring alopecia? What about FFA? What about LLP? What about CCCA? You can always get your hair back as long as the place has not scarred yet, as long as the follicle has not scarred. That’s what I’ve seen in all my clients with scarring, alopecia. They do see hair growth, but they see hair growth in the areas where they already have hair. So if you already have hair, you can grow that area more. That’s the name of the game. Let’s take control now, let’s stop the forest fire and let’s move forward with the tools, the techniques, and the strategy and the personalization so that you can see full hair growth and get your life to where you want it to be, full of happiness, full of health, full of hair, and just thrive. So without further ado, here is Kathryn.

Thank you so much and we’ll talk to you soon.

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Johanna: So welcome to the show, Kathryn. Thank you so much for joining me on the Alopecia Angel podcast.

Kathryn: I’m so excited to be here. Thanks for having me.

Johanna: Astrocartography is one of those topics that I love talking about and I love sharing with. And because you have so much knowledge and because you’ve done the

schooling for it and you can explain it so much better than I can. Please tell our listeners what is astrocartography and why is this important?

Kathryn: Yeah, so astrocartography or relocation, astrology is really the study of astrology based on place. So where you are in the world, your astrology could impact your health, could impact your business, could impact your authority, visibility, relationships, it can impact your kids. So I have always believed that every place had a story and oftentimes when maybe you travel somewhere or you go and you visit and you’re like: Man, this place feels like home and you can’t really explain why.

Now that I’ve studied astrocartography or relocation astrology, I totally get why certain places feel really good and other places might not feel good. And so really it’s just understanding your natal astrology based on the different locations that maybe you’re traveling to or you’re moving to, and how those play out in your natal chart and how they’re gonna impact all the various parts of your life. Yeah.

Johanna: I wanted to bring Kahryn onto the show today in particular because. I went on a meditation retreat here recently and I can’t stop to think about how health impacts where we live. And for some of you listening to this, you probably think I’ve gone bonkers and this makes no sense, but just hear me out ever so slightly and hear Kathryn out too. Because before I was even diagnosed with alopecia, I was right in the middle of moving from one place to another. And once I had that diagnosis right before my astro cartographer at the time told me: Hey, Johanna, don’t move to Europe, you’re gonna see a lot of health issues and your health is gonna decline severely.

And at the time, if you know my story, I was my fittest, my healthiest in all of my friend group and all of my family members. And yet, not only was I diagnosed with alopecia, but I did have a slew of health issues living in Europe. And even though I didn’t wanna believe this astro cartographer, he was right. Since then, I truly believe that where we live, our astrology, personal astrology, personalization is key for us to thrive. It’s one of those missing pieces. Now, does everyone have the luxury to pick up and go and live wherever their map shows or dictates no, but if you have this in the back of your mind, how about just avoiding the bad spots? How about just avoiding, the negative places? It’s almost like if you’re in a city, wouldn’t you avoid the dark alley that has no light and that looks a little sketchy?

It’s the same thing that if we have more knowledge in our own situation, why not embrace it? Why not choose to know and understand and learn more about it and then even see how it plays out. Not just how you know physically, but mentally, emotionally, and everything else. Because I can go on and on, but my own personal stories, but Kathryn has probably tons of other stories in regards to how Astrocartography truly does affect us. And even if you think: Oh no, because I don’t know, I’ve never moved, or I’ve never left the country, or I’ve never done this, I never done that. Maybe it’s time for you to start thinking about something else too, because we’re not trees, we can get up and go.

As someone who’s lived in other countries, who studied abroad multiple times and has spent just, not just months, but years in other countries and other places, I truly feel the effect of how different cities and countries affect you. And how that resonates with you and how that allows you to either move forward or take a lot of steps backwards. I poise this only for the concern of health, because when it comes to relationships, finance and all that’s important too. But health to me is everything, if you don’t have health, you have nothing. Where do we start with this? How do we get somebody who’s never heard about Astrocartography on the bandwagon to really understanding fully what this really looks like and how we can go about getting a chart done?

Kathryn: Yeah, so basically you need obviously your birth date, exact time, and the location of your birth. And then we really start with your natal chart and we look at the composition of that natal chart, and as you mentioned, and all the work that you do within Alopecia Angel, there is no one size cookie cutter. Like where you thrive, I might not thrive, right? You might thrive in the Netherlands. I might not, or I might thrive in Ireland. I might not. And so it’s all very personalized to your natal chart. And then from there, really we take that and we look at what that looks like on a world map. So there is a software that I use and professional astrocartographer use that will then take your natal chart and lay it across the map of the world and it’s gonna show you where your best places are, depending on what it is that you’re seeking.

So if health is top priority, we’re gonna look for places that are going to impact your overall health and wellbeing. If you’re wanting to thrive in business, there might be other places that you would go for recognition or increased amplification of visibility.

If you’re wanting to thrive relationship, you wanna meet the love of your life. Then we will look for places based on that. And again, it’s gonna be unique to your individual chart, what your sort of goals are, and then what energetics are playing out in that area. So it’s not just looking at your natal chart. We look at what we call these paran lines. And this is getting a little bit technical, but there are the horizontal lines that run a across the planet based on your time of birth and specific location. It’s as individual as a fingerprint. And so, the lines that are running across your chart are gonna look way different than mine and they’re gonna play a story.

I’ll just give you an example. I was in Costa Rica in November and I have a Jupiter Peran line that runs right through Costa Rica and Jupiter’s expansion good luck, good fortune. But where Jupiter lives in my chart. Is in my 11th house, which is all around friendship and community, but can be business. And I thought: Oh, I’m gonna have lots of business insight and relationships because I’m so entwined in my own business and everything’s about business to me. I met some of the greatest friends there, nothing to do with business, but it’s the amplification of friendship. And my husband said to me, Kathryn I’ve never met this many friends on a trip before. And I knew in my astrology, I was like: Oh, I know why we’re meeting all of these friends.

Kathryn, I wanted to relocate to this one place and we went there, we rented an Airbnb and I literally felt like I had a past life thing happening, it was very traumatic. I felt like I had lived in that house. So it’s things like that you just can’t, it’s magic. And as you mentioned, like when your astrocartographer said to you, do not move to Europe, you’re gonna have health stuff. There were lines that were activated in Europe for you that would naturally play off of health issues and whatnot. And you can see it in your chart. Yeah.

Johanna: So where does somebody begin with this? And before we even go into that, when I learned about Astrocartography, this was over 10 years ago, and, at the time, I was learning feng shui. And so there’s roots. I hear, I don’t know. I’m asking you to clarify. There’s roots, I hear with Astrocartography that it incorporates feng shui, it incorporates of course astrology, it might incorporate a bunch of other things. Can you expand on that or do you have an answer for that?

Kathryn: Yeah, so Astrocartography basically is, I use a Hellenistic approach and I use, and it’s astrology in essence. Right now some people might blend feng shui in, some might blend some of these other modalities in, but basically I’m looking at a natal chart. And then that natal chart translates to the map based on your midheaven, your rising sign, your descendant and your IC line, which is basically the darkest, deepest parts of your soul.

And so for me, it’s all astrology based. Now, feng shui and combining that with that would be perfect because if you find location and then you start to incorporate the elements of feng shui in there, then you’re able to what house do I buy on this street? Where’s the street facing? Where are the windows? Then you can start to get really particular. But if health, let’s just say health is the priority. And that’s what I would do is I would start with: What is my number one priority right now? Because otherwise it gets really complicated. If you want every, we all want relationship finance, like we want all the positive things. But if health is the priority and you’re like, I’m not feeling great: I’m not thriving emotionally, mentally, physically, in a wellbeing sense, then that’s where I would start and I would go to somebody, a professional astrophotographer who one can go, okay, what’s your goal?

And then they can give you 3 places max that you could think about moving to. Now you don’t have to move like to Japan. And I think this is a big one that people hesitate when they come to me. The stuff I’ve looked into, people are telling me I have to move to Japan or Antarctica. And I’m like: Now there you’ll be able to find a place in the world. I’ve worked with people who are very specific, like I can’t leave the Midwest of the US. And I’m like: Okay, let’s find your best place because there’s gonna be pros and cons with every location. Nothing’s gonna be perfect. You just have to find one where it’s going to be the best for you at that season of life that you’re in and what goal you’re trying to achieve.

No chart is perfect. There’s gonna be pros and cons with every natal chart and every location. It’s just how do we find the best location for you? And so I would keep it specific on what I wanted and then work with an astrophotographer that can read it. ’cause the chart is really overwhelming when you actually look at, if you’re trying to read it yourself, it’s very overwhelming. Yeah.

Johanna: So let me just add that even on my own chart. I grew up in California and was always living somewhere in Southern California, but there was something special always about Santa Monica. I don’t know what it was, but whenever I would go to Santa Monica, it just felt like home. And I always told myself: I’m gonna live there one day. I have yet to live there. But at the same time, once I got my chart, fast forward 20 some years, I saw that Santa Monica was a good spot for me to live. And it was highlighted in red and all the things. And I was like: That’s so interesting. I always lived 45 minutes away from Santa Monica, give or take, and yet never lived there and was always in a bad area.

But once you cross that line into Santa Monica, it was just everything felt wonderful. And that feeling it was always very, I could taste it. It was right there always on the tip of my tongue, it was instant. And I don’t know what it was, what freeway or street I had to crossover, but once I was in Santa Monica, it was just like everything felt amazing. And the same thing happens when I go to Brazil. And so it doesn’t have to be super far. Imagine if I grew up already in Southern California moving 45 minutes away or 30 minutes away, and that’s including LA traffic, it’s not a big deal. So the thing is, it’s like we can have maybe even just a couple miles down the road somewhere fantastic for us to live without even living or even uprooting ourselves in a drastic way, but everything can change.

And so I want my listeners to keep that in mind because when it comes to health, okay, yes, I had alopecia. Yes, I healed it. And yes, it’s reversed and everything. But I will say on this journey of healing, astrocartography has definitely always been in the back of my mind so much so where potentially maybe that battle could have been shortened, had I lived somewhere else, it could have been, mitigated a lot quicker. And so knowing these things, I tell you, and I bring Kathryn here because if you have the opportunity to get up and go do it. Find out where you best thrive and move. Because literally, our life is in our hands and we choose the outcome, we choose our future, we are creating it.

And this is part of that co-creation with having somebody like Kathryn on your side to show you exactly that map and to see exactly where it is that you thrive and it might surprise you and you were like: Oh, I’ve always loved Seattle, or I’ve always loved Vancouver like you do. And then be like: Oh why don’t I just go there now for every summer. Why don’t I do this? Or why don’t I do that? And it’s just like, why limit yourself when we can have so much at our disposal.

Kathryn: Totally. And it’s so interesting that you say that you felt connected because that’s usually when I do readings with people, they’ll come to me and I’ll ask them like, the 5 places that they’re thinking about. And oftentimes they’re listing places that they’ve naturally felt like gravitate towards and or they’ve had an experience, a really positive experience, but couldn’t explain it. And then I’ll look at their chart and I just, I almost laugh because I’m like: Oh yeah, it’s right there written in the chart. Like I always love

the west coast of Canada, Vancouver. And every time I went there, I’d get like business opportunities or my emails would start to blow up and people reaching out to wanna work with me.

I had a woman recently, I did a chart reading with, and there’s this place that her family and her used to go visit all the time, and she didn’t even know that I was gonna bring that up, but I’m like: Literally you have what I call the Disney Magic line that runs through this area of Illinois, I think is where it was. And she’s what does that mean? I’m like, it’s Disney magic, expansion, luck, anything’s possible. She’s like: Yeah, I used to camp there all the time. It’s literally not even 70 miles from your house. Just go there for weekends if you want to. Yeah.

Johanna: Absolutely no brainer. So I’m assuming if my listener is maybe a mom maybe not single, maybe married with like couple kids or three or four kids, where do they start? Because one thing is knowing your own map and being like: Great, where I live sucks for me. But what about for the husband, for the kids, for grandma and grandpa or whatever the situation is going on, what would you say to them?

Kathryn: So basically you do wanna start with an understanding of you, your natal chart, all of that. And then I call that synergy. Basically it’s now how do I overlay all of the other maps? Because if you have kiddos, that’s gonna play a factor, right? It’s gonna play like, you want to know: Are they gonna thrive in that location as well. And so basically what we do is we look at their chart and then we look at the family chart, husband, kiddos, whatever. And we look to see: Okay, what’s talking here amongst all of it is pattern recognition, it’s connecting all the dots and then it’s like, now what is the best place for you as a family to thrive? And then there is gonna be pros and cons like I said. And so there’s gonna be things for people to consider.

But I truly believe that most people are very intuitive and they can run that through their own filter system. Okay, this is important to us. For example, I just did a reading with a family and they’re wanting to relocate from the states to Canada. And she’s: Okay, I know I’m gonna thrive there, but will my family? And when we looked at her family chart, I’m like: Wow, like your kids are actually gonna thrive, because what they’re craving in their chart is adventure and wilderness and outdoorness. And she’s in a landlocked, basically concrete American city, like very, right? And you go to Vancouver and there’s lots of outdoorness and it, her whole family was gonna thrive in that move.

But we look at the synergy of the charts together, which is a little bit more complicated again, not something I would you wouldn’t be able to read them by yourself if you don’t know astrology or astrocartography. But yeah, you want to get that composite charts for your family so you can see does the unit thrive.

Johanna: So I had I had somebody I knew, I forget who it was in particular, and they’re like: I’m just gonna upload my information into ChatGPT and tell me and let’s see what ChatGPT tells you.

Kathryn: No.

Johanna: This is the wrong way to go about it, this is where you want a professional. This is just like testing, this is your data and you want to really understand the data that is influencing you honestly and concretely versus some AI spoof of mistakes that potentially could lead you on the wrong path. So talk about a little bit about the differences of me uploading my info versus going with a professional.

Kathryn: Yeah, so astrology in and of itself, the system like human design is quite complex, so there’s a lot of complexity to it. So that’s number #1. Number #2 is then you add in the astro photography, the location, which is a whole other complex system with rules and all of the things. And I’ve tried ChatGPT, I’ve tested ChatGPT with my own stuff. I’ve tested Claude and if you’ve used ChatGPT, you know it hallucinates, it makes shit up. It doesn’t always tell the truth. It’s not all always factually correct. And if you even have one slight thing wrong, like I could be talking to it for a while and I’ve tested this, right?

If you don’t know the intricacies of your stuff and you actually don’t know the system, you’re gonna take that at face value. And it’s gonna tell you, it might tell you to move to Vancouver, Canada, or it might tell you to move to Austin, Texas. And really it’s misread your chart completely. So 100% I have never seen ChatGPT or Claude be able to accurately distinguish these things. And so I would highly recommend you don’t put your information into the system because it will hallucinate, it will make stuff up. I’ve never seen it accurately predict, particularly with location and then also with the intricacies of what your goals are.

Because if I’m sitting here and having a conversation with you and you’re telling me my priority is health, but then you go into the depth of what that actually looks like for you, then New York City might not be the best place for you, even though you have positive lines there because you’re like: I want nature or your system will thrive in nature and you’re in a concrete village. So there’s all those other personalized pieces to it that I think is so important that Chat’s not gonna be able to read and it’s not gonna be able to give you.

Johanna: Absolutely. I 100% agree. And the thing is, it’s never necessarily a one and done. So for example, I actually did my astrocartography map before I met my husband. I met my husband and that was like the first thing I forced him into. I was just like: Hey, guess what? Let me get your map. And as a mom, I wanna be also on top of what things I should be looking out for. For example, I don’t know if you agree with this, but my previous astrocartographer, he told me: Look, what you wanna focus on is the two parents thriving. Because once two parents are healthy and thriving and happy, then they can take care of easily of all the kids.

But imagine being in a marriage with multiple kids or just even one kid and then your partner being sick or disabled or having health issues. And then this becomes more of a burden than of a partnership where, everyone is thriving. And so this is also something

to think about because again, health to me is priceless. I have rolled the dice and I’m actually living somewhere where both me and my husband thrive now. And sometimes you just have to do that. You have to roll the dice to see what happens. And it’s taken me a minute, if you know my journey, it took me like over 6 years to get out of Europe. I got, more than a year to get out of Japan, where also Japan was not in alignment with me in my map. There was all the places that I lived in the US before were not in alignment with me either.

And so now I am, I’m living exactly where I need to be. That coincides also with my husband. Now granted, does my child thrive here? No, not necessarily. But at the same time, because both parents thrive, then we’re able to mitigate, take care of and do things readily and easily. And so think about it in those terms too, is that maybe it’s not always gonna be so perfect, but at the same time we can almost get it to at least both parents are thriving. How amazing would that be? And for any of you in a relationship, like that’s also priceless because your partnership also, brings you up or weighs you down. It’s one of the two.

Kathryn: Totally. I totally agree with that. We don’t wanna paint it as there’s gonna be this one magical location that has all of the things you want, especially when you’re adding in spouses or kids or whatever, there is pros and cons to everyone. It’s about finding a place that is the best for you in that moment, and then being aware of what might come up in your natal, your husband’s natal, your kid’s natal, and going: Okay, we can now prepare for it and or mitigate it, right? Whereas if something popped up in your kiddo’s life and you’re like: I have no idea why, they’re getting maybe a skin rash. When you’re aware of it and you can start to put the resources in place so that they ha have what they need.

Johanna: When you receive someone’s map or information and you see their map, what are a few of the things that you look for immediately?

Kathryn: Yeah, so basically when they submit their information, they’re giving me their goal of what they want. Health, relationship. It’s usually health or relationship and or business related. They want that recognition in business because I’m a marketing expert by trade and so, they’ll come to me for those reasons. But the thing that I’m looking at is I’m looking at their natal chart as a whole, and I’m trying to understand them as an individual and where their chart might be at odds with each other and where they’re, they’ve got really great placements in their chart.

And then what I do is I look at that astro chart and I look at the 5 locations that they’ve given me, and I’m looking to see if they’ve got good paran lines running horizontally. If they do or they don’t, what storylines playing out there. And then I’ll look at other locations based on the paran lines that I know they’ll thrive on, that maybe they didn’t mention. So for example, if they gave me like London, Paris, Dublin, New York City, LA. And I’m looking at those, and the paran lines don’t look great for those areas, then I will go and find other areas that they’re gonna thrive in.

Johanna: Yeah. That’s huge. So if I was looking for an astrocartographer, what are some of the key things that people should be looking for in terms of finding a legit astrocartographer to help them on this journey?

Kathryn: Yeah, so the big one would be that they’re using a professional software, something like Astro Gold or Solo Fire. And the reason I say that is because a lot of people out there that sell these services do not use professional softwares. And if you’re not using a professional software, that means you’re not reading paran lines. And if you’re not reading paran lines, you’re missing like 80% of the storyline of location. And so there’s a lot of people out there that don’t. They’ll just look at the vertical lines that midheaven, the ascended, the descendant, and they don’t actually talk about paran lines, but the paran lines tell a big story of the energy of place and whether or not they’re doing relocated charts.

I would ask are what software are you using? Is it a professional software? Do you read paran lines? Do you look at relocated charts and relocated charts are if you were to move to Paris, we look at your natal chart, but we look at it through the lens of Paris. So if you were born at 9:30 in LA on June 5th, 1953 in Paris, it would be a different time. So your natal chart would look different. So we look at that as well. That’s what we call that relocated chart. So I’d ask for that and then I would ask them if they’re using ChatGPT at all to interpret. And if they are, I would run for the hills.

Johanna: Understood. Wow, lots of insight. Thank you. Makes me question now my astrocartographer, I don’t know. This was actually before AI yeah. I actually think he like hand did it. I don’t know if there was software even available 10-15 years ago.

Kathryn: So then he’s legit old school measuring things out by Yeah.

Johanna: Yeah, all of them are colored by hand. He is like full on dumbledore.

Kathryn: He’s probably like ancient studying it. I say now with new age astrophotographers it’s probably easy and can be easy to interpret using AI. The problem is you never actually learn the system. So if I looked at your map today and then I looked at your astrocartography right now, in this moment, I could read it and I’d be able to interpret it. But if I had to then go ask ChatGPT, she has this and she has this, then like intuitively, I actually don’t understand what I’m showing you and teaching you, which to me is an indication that they’re not that knowledgeable in the science of it.

Johanna: It is a science. That’s fantastic to hear because a lot of times people think: Oh, this is astrology, this is woo, or this is esoteric. When you’re mapping out where you were born, date, time, place, location, where the moon and the planets were in transit. This all says something about you. And also, about like the onion peeling back, it has so many layers to it. We all have so many layers to us. It’s not that we’re just an Aries or just a Cancer or just a Gemini. We have all these different layers that, make us who we are.

Kathryn: If you look at your health, there’s an intricacy to it. There’s a story there. And we all have different lived experience, life experience, internal makeup. The same as with our chart is that it’s a, you’re not just a Leo or a Libra or whatever, which a lot of new age stuff will talk about that, right? And you can resonate with it. But when you actually peel the layers back, like when I look at my natal chart and really fully understand myself now I’m like: Oh wow, my life makes sense.

Johanna: How often should we be consulting with our astro cartographer?

Kathryn: So if you’re wanting to travel or there’s places that you’re wanting to travel to, I would absolutely get a reading or look at and have them look at the transits and best time to travel. Best time not to travel, because that’s gonna play a factor. Now if you’re relocating. If you’re moving from Austin, Texas to New York City and it’s a permanent thing, then obviously there’s less of a window. But I always look at my chart now and I’m always looking at the transits to time my travel. So to Costa Rica, what’s the window to fly? When we went to Hawaii, what was that window, right?

Johanna: Any other fascinating tidbits of information that you could share with us?

Kathryn: I think the biggest one is like the insight, like just the insight that you’re gonna garner from just knowing your natal chart and just knowing what that looks like for you is just gonna be so magical. So I would just say dive into it. Like just start. And it is a rabbit hole. There’s a lot of information there, so not to try to digest it all. In one go. Like it is a puzzle piece that you’re gonna slowly start to put together. But yeah, it’s just so many things. And each house, like each of the houses, there’s 12 houses, they all connect to certain body parts.

And so if you just wanted to focus on health, if you just wanted to go down a health rabbit hole, like you could literally look at your natal and you can look at what’s the first host of Scorpio, right? That’s like the reproductive system. So if I’m not healthy from a body perspective, , that’s gonna wreck havoc on my reproductive. But again, everybody’s different, right? So those things get amplified.

Johanna: I find this so fascinating because as you’re speaking, I think back to when I lived in California, or even when I lived in Texas or Denver or just anywhere really including the Netherlands, where I just felt like there was this black cloud over me. There was just something there that just didn’t give and I was just like: This isn’t for me. And I knew it. Like I would move to these places or to a new place or a new city, new state. And I’d be like, within 10 days I could tell, I’ll be like, nah, I’m leaving. I’m leaving soon. Yeah. I don’t know when, but I’m leaving soon.

Kathryn: Yeah. I’ve moved all over the place and I’ve traveled all over the world and Saskatoon has always felt like home. And I have really great astrology here, but Ireland and the Philippines, those two other countries, it was hard for me to leave. I also equally felt at home there. And in the Philippines, I was living in a remote village doing my masters, and so it’s nobody spoke the language. I was living in a school. It wasn’t like I was living the luxury life there by any stretch, but I felt so at home and so connected.

Johanna: Yeah I hear you. That’s how I feel when I’m in Rio. I feel like it’s my birthday. When it’s not my birthday. Luckily I had to go there a lot for work in my previous life and the feelings of just like landing the plane in Rio just felt not just at home, but like happiness, I was beaming, I was that happy. It just. It was innate, it was incredible, it really was. It really was. So where can we find you? Because I’m sure there’s gonna be tons of people who want to email you, get in contact and probably even get their chart done, because that’s the next step is getting your chart done, right?

Kathryn: Totally. So I’m at creativelyowned.com You can find me creatively owned.com and or on Instagram. @creativelyowned is my Instagram and Facebook handle, and you can reach out to me, DM me there. I’m responding to the DMs there and, or you can go through my website and book a reading from there.

Johanna: How long does it take for our chart or map to have the results?

Kathryn: So basically when you book your reading, it’s a live reading. So you go in and you pick a time and a date, and then in that intake. I ask for all of your information and then I ask for kind of the key places that you’re considering going or whatever. I always look at your current location. So if you mention 5 other locations and where you’re at, I’m always looking at your current location, the storyline that’s playing out there as well. And then we get on a live Zoom call and I pull up your map and I walk you through everything. And then you get a full recording of it so you have it so that you can revisit it as you wish.

But I basically go through all the locations that you mapped out, your current location, and any of the other locations that I think that you might benefit and can consider. And then I walk you through it all, explain why certain places are good and not, and all of that. I give the full detail and then you get that recording so you have it. And yeah. I’m booking, I usually book in se seven days in advance windows, so I need time to read it. So if you go on the booking. It’s usually within 7 days. You could get in if you wanted to. Yeah.

Johanna: Fantastic. Thank you so much, Kathryn. You’ve been another shining light into astrocartography, into how we can upgrade ourselves into how we can take our future that we wanna create into our hands. Because this is exactly why I wanted to bring you probably since over a year now, onto the podcast. Because I believe so wholeheartedly in astrocartography in using every tool at our disposal, which many people haven’t learned about or haven’t known about.

But only now is more and more of this topic, this opportunity is really showcasing itself, but still, I see on people’s faces where they’re dumbfounded when I talk to them about it and I’m like: What? You have to do this is so incredibly just intrinsic to where you are, where you live. Imagine just a like lifting. A lot of your health issues just by moving. Just imagine that.

Kathryn: Yeah. It’s magic.

Johanna: It really is. It really is. So thank you so much, Kathryn Anything else that you’d love to leave our listeners with?

Kathryn: Just go out and explore and to learn these things so that you can improve. The tools, the insight, the knowledge, the wisdom is right there at your hands. And really it is a very personalized journey. And the more you understand who you are, your makeup, all of that, the better off you are at being able to really, truly optimize your health and wellbeing.

Johanna: Awesome. Thank you so much, Kathryn.

Kathryn: You’re welcome.

Johanna: Great to see you.

Kathryn: Thank you.