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Johanna: Hi, Vanessa.

Vanessa: Hello, How are you?

Johanna: Good. How are you?

Vanessa: Good. Thank you.

Johanna: So tell me, what are the topics that we're going to be talking about today? So

I submitted, one was how to love yourself, even when it feels hard. Let's see. I have

some notes here. How lack of self love can help you from sticking to your commitments

and integrating new habits

Vanessa: I like that one. Yeah, and then how to listen to your body, even when it feels

uncomfortable to be in.

Johanna: Okay. I'd say the first one. I like that one a lot.

Vanessa: A few years ago, several years ago now, I guess I hit a wall with my health

and my son did at the same time with it. Eventually I came across energy healing and

energy work. And it was like a little bell rang like: ding you found it. I've been in that

realm for a few years now practicing that and I love it and we've seen some really

interesting things with it so.

Johanna: When you say energy work, are you thinking more of the lines of dr. Joe

Dispenza or which type of energy?

Vanessa: Yeah like I'm certified in like the emotion code, body code, belief code and

intuitive rebirth. Those are laid out I guess you could say like template that you follow.

You use apply kinesiology or muscle testing and they have it mapped out to where you

follow their layout. But then in doing that, it connected me more to my own intuition. And

so I also branched off to offer my own intuitive energy healing that you could probably

say along the lines of Joe Dispenza's work and the unseen realms, especially.

Johanna: So the clients you work with, who are they?Vanessa: I work with a very vast array of people, but I would say people who are open

to energy healing for sure, because I think the belief itself can be a huge part, which,

you know, there's always the subconscious beliefs versus the conscious belief, but if

someone is trying energy healing with the idea that this isn't going to work, you try

anything with that idea and it feels like a block. That's a thing people maybe they're not

fully sure, but they're like: I'm open to learning or I'm open to trying, and that's a whole

different idea because, then we can work on them and if they see even the slightest

result, they can be like: it can reinforce that belief and it's like a snowball rolling down a

hill, it just gets stronger and stronger. For sure, people that, that are open to it. And I feel

like my clientele consists of a lot of people who have gone through really dark times.

My vision for my business is to help others. Remember that even after the darkest night,

the sun always rises and the dawn brings new hope. I think that just with what I've been

through as well, being bedridden and unsure if or how my son and I could move

forward, it got super dark, at a point, just hopeless. And I feel like a lot of people do

come to me and there is a resonance because I know that feeling, not to say I would

know anyone else's experience, but I know that feeling of just losing hope in a sense

and just not sure where to go. And so just beginning to clear energies and people start

feeling shifts and they start to see things happen that they never thought they would, or

they start to see healing that they never thought they would, that really reinforces

people to realize that there is hope. And so I feel like it's almost like a starting point, like

it's a rock bottom. And then from there, they can start to believe again that they can heal

and then they can seek out all kinds of therapies and healing.

Johanna: I sometimes feel like hitting rock bottom is actually a blessing in disguise. I

feel like sometimes the toughest nut, so to speak, needs to hit rock bottom before they

can open their eyes to something new or to something that maybe is not conventional

medicine or maybe something that isn't on TV ads or in publications on the magazine.

It's the same thing for hair loss. Like me personally, I had to hit rock bottom as well. And

in many cases, a lot of my clients too, they're at their wits end. They've tried everything

in the book, they've tried it all, they don't know what more to do, they come to me as a

last resort. I'm assuming they come to you as a last resort. They're like: this is my last

opportunity. I'm going to throw in the dice and see what, what comes out. And lo and

behold, that's it. That's all they need. But they needed to get here. That path led them

here.

Vanessa: Yeah, energy healing can seem so out there to so many people, might as well

try it, what can it hurt? Sometimes there are people who just, they've read Joe

Dispenza's books or they're in that realm and they're like: I know this works, let's try it,

let's do it. That's amazing too. But just with my own journey, I've noticed that It's almost

once you hit rock bottom, you can understand not only rock bottom, but also the people

who might feel like they're there. You can understand them at a depth and you can see

them in a way that people who haven't might not be able to.

Johanna: 100%, you're right on that. So how do we get started with energy healing?Vanessa: My sessions don't take a lot on the client's end, so I can even complete

sessions when people are just going about their day, like they don't have to be on a live

call all the time. Some people prefer it, but it's really, up to the client, but it's that idea of

the collective consciousness, and how you can think of anyone at any point without,

needing to have them on a call necessarily. And so, just harnessing that with experience

and the knowledge to complete the session. And obviously like I like to of course have

consent as well. I think that's a huge part. It really just takes booking the session and

then I do the work and I write up a report and people really enjoy reading the reports,

you know, they can read it, they can sit down with meditation music and read it and

really integrate it. It just depends on the experience that the client is looking for too.

Johanna: So I've had some energy work done where it was virtual and in a zoom

format and I don't know if this is similar or different, but I'm going to tell you my

experience with energy healing, and it wasn't necessarily healing of any sort, but it was

more of sweeping any cobwebs that might've been there. Meaning, she would say to

me: I went into your, I don't know, energy field? Akashic records? I don't know what

she's using, she's using like a mixture of things, like a recipe of sorts. She goes in, looks

into my aura field, Akashic records, like who knows what she's looking into. I haven't

really pinpointed her into telling me.

And she tells me that she would say things like: Oh, there's someone in your world, like

someone who you frequent, who is giving you off, giving off bad vibes or doing this or

doing that. I cleared all that for you. And it's crazy once, when she clears it, like I feel the

energy shift. It's insane, I'm not kidding you, I feel the energy shift and it's almost like

this veil, this see through burden has just just dropped off.

Vanessa: Almost didn't even realize it was there, right? And the thing is It's like a

lightness.

Johanna: There's a lightness to it, yeah. And she would do this every so often. So I had

4 or 5 calls with her on a consistent basis. And so it was like every 2 weeks, she would

like clean house. It just felt better to be in this energy. And so I guess what I'm asking

you, is that something similar as to how you work or is it different?

Vanessa: I would say it's similar, yeah. And I personally don't love the phrase energy

healing, but it's something that people get what you're talking about more. So on my

website, it says energy balancing and clearing. That's a huge thing for me is just,

clearing the blockages and the hindrances because the body knows how to heal, the

body is always healing and when you can move the blockages, then it'll do its thing. You

don't necessarily have to energy heal, you're working with energy and it can lead to

healing. So yes, I would say that definitely resembles what I do.

Johanna: And what type of healing or results have your clients seen? So for example,

when I was on my healing my own alopecia, I tried anything and everything. I tried

acupuncture, Ayurveda, this and that and there was positive things with it, but it didn't

heal me, I didn't get my hair back. What's the tangible that you've seen or that you'vecan showcase with your current clients or previous clients in terms of the actual, in my

case, hair growth or in in terms of healing, what tangible outcome is there, or what is the

transformation? Because again, in my own search, going to Ayurveda, that doesn't

work, going to acupuncture, that doesn't work.

It doesn't matter how many times any acupuncturist says: It'll heal you, it'll work, or any

Ayurveda professional says: It'll heal you, it'll work. It doesn't, like it's missing the mark.

Because it's really funneled into one thing, it's not looking at the big picture for alopecia.

Now for you, this could be different. So I guess that's my curiosity. What transformations

have you seen?

Vanessa: Yeah, even with that stuff, I feel like it's a medicine of sorts. It can, open up

the pathways and things, but I get what you mean. It can miss the mark as well. For me,

I've seen someone who had psoriasis for years, we healed that or it went away. I should

say after sessions someone else had trouble being in romantic relationships and she

ended up finding a happy partner after a couple of sessions, and as far as I know,

they're still together and I think progressing in the relationship. Another person had

sharp joint pains for years they thought related to grief and those went away. They had

a lot of head pain since like brain surgery, I think as a child is when they got the brain

surgery and this person was 40-50s and that head pain finally released and was

relieved.

I've seen a lot of depression and grief improve for sure. I worked with some children

who, like I said, it's vast, but there's some children who like compete in sports and

things and will do sessions focusing on whether just sports or their confidence levels or

something in their body that's seems like it's holding them back in ways, and they went

on to win championships or have the bravery to score a goal or little things like that. So

like I said the results can be really vast, but we've seen some really amazing things.

Johanna: That's incredible, that's great. Anything, surrounding, let's say healing, I don't

know, hot flashes or menopausal symptoms or anything in regards to let's say getting

that pregnancy.

Vanessa: I can't say that people who I've worked with have also been doing this

alongside other things in that realm, but hormonal, for sure, yes. I've had multiple clients

have hormonal improvements such as lowering like prolactin levels or cortisol levels or,

things like that. I can't say that I've had someone who came to me with trouble getting

pregnant and got pregnant. I have heard with this modality, many stories about that, but

me personally, I haven't, ran into someone that came to me with that topic in particular.

There have been easing of menopausal and hormonal symptoms the hot flashes and

the pain and the cramps and the mood swings and things like that, for sure, yeah.

Johanna: All right, Vanessa. So tell us, how does self love contribute to our healing

process?Vanessa: If you have a lack of self love, you might not really feel like you deserve it or

you might not feel worthy of it. I've actually found this a lot with people, they'll say: I've

tried everything and I've changed my diet and different things. So I just don't feel like I

can heal. I can ask their body do you want to heal? And do you feel like you can heal?

Do you feel worthy of healing? Is there something that's keeping you from really loving

yourself enough to think that you can heal? It's more on the subconscious level often.

Cause consciously we know I want to integrate new habits, I want to heal, I want to

have healthier coping mechanisms or whatever it might be, when we try it, maybe: Oh, I

got distracted today or something came up or I'm too tired or I just forgot about it. Just

different things like that.

And while you're not consciously like making yourself forget about it obviously, it can

show up in subconscious ways. If you just continuously forget. Obviously you can set

alarms and things, but then: oh, now something came up and there's always like that

deterrence. There's often like an underlying something keeping you from truly believing

that you'd possibly deserve it. I think this can often stem from, childhood whether it is

you perceived someone, quite often like disrespecting themselves, or you felt like you

didn't always receive the love that you wanted or felt like you deserved. Like the

subconscious mind and the child's mind, I've seen similarities in those the way that they

process things and they can become misconstrued because well, the child's mind is

obviously so new and doesn't have a lot of experience to base it off of, but also the

subconscious mind is so literal.

So it can just be like, they didn't tell me good job when I did that. Oh, they must not love

me. Oh, I must not be worthy of love. Oh, it must be because this. It can just create

almost a chain reaction. That's not necessarily in your favor.

Johanna: Do you find that most women are the ones who lack their self love or do you

think it's even between men and women?

Vanessa: Honestly, I think it's pretty even, but I think it's, I think it represents in very

different ways in men and women. I think women, it is a lot of putting other people or

other things ahead of themselves and it's just, that caretaker, that natural, innate caring

and loving towards other people. But then we might forget that we deserve it too. I think

for men or like male, I think it can come out as a lot of anger and aggression

sometimes. It's almost like feeling disregarded, even if it's yourself disregarding you, but

it creates that friction and that heat and that anger, I think. I see that often.

Johanna: Is there maybe some questions we can ask ourselves or maybe an

assessment of sorts that we could see whether we're lacking self love? Because this

term, self love is so ambiguous sometimes. And you'll see it, on Instagram or Facebook

or social media: Oh, I'm doing a self care day. Okay. What does that really mean? Is

that mean taking a bath? We should all be showering every day, that's just for hygiene.

What does this really mean? Does this mean I'm going to go away on a trip by myself

when I have a full house of family and chores to do? What does this look like? Andreally, how can we implement it? Maybe we should step back a bit and really assess

like, how can we figure out if we ourselves have a self love problem?

Vanessa: Yeah, I think it can show up. I think there are signs just like in any relationship

with someone external as well. There's going to be signs that they don't really value

you. If you're trying to integrate good things, for example, you're trying to maybe starting

to work out routine, or you're trying to start the skincare routine because it's what's best

for you. And there's going to be signs if your self value is low when you try to take care

of yourself more.

There's almost like this misalignment. And it's like putting two ends of a magnet together

that are repelling and there's that invisible force that keeps them from sticking really.

You can really compare it to how would you treat someone that you really like love and

honor.

So if you think of someone that you just absolutely adore and you just love them so

much and if they told you: hey, I need you, like I need a hug or I just need your

presence. And they're like: hey, you pick the day and time that works for you and I'll

show up. Once you set that date and time, you're not probably going to ghost that

amazing person that you love so much or just cancel out of lube because you feel tired.

If you truly honored that person, you would probably do everything in your power to

ensure that you held to your word or the people that you love, maybe when you're at the

supermarket, you get them their favorite flowers or you just, their favorite treat, just little

things. I have in the inner child work world heard of being the inner mother to yourself.

So it can be as small, it can really be as small as just making sure that you eat meals

throughout the day, like that you're eating regularly or that you're taking your

supplements. There can be an aspect of discipline to it.

Like discipline honestly can be compared to self love often because it takes discipline to

implement the things that are good for you and making sure you're taking care of, and

showered, and eating and moving your body and taking your supplements or whatever

it might be. And so I think that if someone is experiencing lack of self love, they can

probably see it throughout their day in ways that they do or do not take care of

themselves.

Johanna: I agree with that, I agree with that. I see my close friends or my husband,

even they do certain things every day on a regular basis and it doesn't matter whether

it's 5am or 5pm, they're going to get it done. Even if they're traveling, they're going to

get it done. And yeah, you start creating creative ways on how to accomplish your end

goal because, it's bite sized moments that create a full year of habits that move the

mark 1%, 2%, 3%, and once we start moving the mark with this consistency, then it

shows for it and you're so much better for it in all ways, depending what those goals are.

Vanessa: Yeah like keeping promises to yourself like if you often just you say you're

going to do something and then you don't show up or you don't do it because you're tootired, like I mentioned before. It's like, how important are you to yourself? That, you

wouldn't do that to someone that you love, so why are you doing it to yourself unless

there is a lack of self love? And it can also even be, like, not letting yourself do things

that you know are bad for you. Like the inner mother coming in when the inner child

wants a cookie for breakfast or no, you need to have some protein or, whatever it might

be.

Johanna: What are other ways where, let's say, we're being or having lack of self love

towards ourselves. So you mentioned discipline. You mentioned, being lazy essentially

with routine, not integrating our habits or the better habits that we want in order to see

the results that we're looking for any other ways that we're not showing ourselves self

love and how do we start making ourselves a priority? Really? That's the bigger

question.

Vanessa: Yeah I think that so often we just forget to express love for anyone that we

care for really, we just don't often make it like a regular thing. It's it's a special thing,

more so for whatever reason. And, I think if you think, Oh, I already know that I love me,

I don't need to tell myself that I love me. It's the same as your partner or your child. It's

like you go out of your way to tell them that you love them. And if you feel awkward, if

you like, give yourself a hug and just say: I love you, you're so amazing and, just speak

love into yourself. I think it's important to ask start asking why. Like, where is this lack of

self love stemming from?

Often for beginners, it's easy to start with it's called automatic writing, where you just put

pen to paper and just kind of brain dump just whatever. And it opens up to the

subconscious mind often, and it'll give you insight that isn't necessarily accessible

without that openness. And if you just start asking yourself internally without obviously

logically trying to answer it. You just let it flow and you just ask like, why don't I love

myself? Or, what's keeping me from loving myself more? What's keeping me from

working out regularly or whatever it might be. You can ask it in multiple ways and

probably get multiple different answers. And often it'll just be something that you don't

expect.

For example, say: Oh, when I was 6 and I really liked my cat and it didn't come to me

when I said to come here, it ran away. Like I felt unloved. And then that made me think:

Oh, I'm unlovable. It can really just be the tiniest little things that, that I think there's

layers for sure. But it's often not just like one big life event that just derails everything,

but they build and build until suddenly, you're not sticking to your commitments

anymore.

Johanna: How much time do you think it takes for us to shift from lack of self love to full

self love and how can we create more self love in our lives?

Vanessa: I think it's a million dollar question. How long does it take? I really think that's

super individual for each person. And, like I said, there might not be just one big thing,

there might be a lot of little things, but there also can be bigger things and smaller thingsthat are impacting it. And it's not necessarily about what happens, but about how we

perceive what happens. So as a kid, that example I gave might seem like a really small

thing, but if you really internalized that and you made the story about it, then it might be

a really big thing in your psyche. I think that there are some blocks that feel a lot bigger

and you can feel when you've moved through them and there's, Oftentimes like a

significant shift in your life from it.

And then sometimes it's, a lot of small things add up over time. For some people, I think

it can be a lot quicker and then some people that might take longer. Some people also

take longer just to integrate when they do this inner work if they do it one time and then

they feel like, okay, I just need a week before I can even go back into that or a month

even. Some people can just. Keep chipping away consistently for a week straight and

they might see different results too. So I think that to answer that question of how long it

takes, I think it's super individual, but I think, just shifting the thoughts and beliefs, it

doesn't have to be as big of a deal as what it seems like it would be like, it can literally

just be acknowledging it, like acknowledging that: oh, wow, I felt hurt when that

happened and I can literally shift it immediately.

So you can feel that when it doesn't hold that charge anymore, or it doesn't feel

significant, you feel like you have peace with it. That's when you know okay, that's been

integrated and it doesn't have to be hard to shift. Like I know people can often make

things actually harder than they need to be, but they don't always have to be, it doesn't

have to be always this huge job, it can just be a quick little journaling session that: Oh

wow, I feel better now and now I feel like I want to start taking showers regularly,

whatever it might be. And what was your other question on that?

Johanna: Thumb steps to implement self love right now.

Vanessa: That's a good question. I think that, it just depends on the degree that people

are experiencing the lack of self love and what areas of their life, like if you're noticing

that you just leave in the morning without eating breakfast and you're just running

around all day and you don't: Oh, I grabbed a bar here. I grabbed a protein shake there,

but you don't really ever sit down to eat a meal, I think that for that person, just making

sure that you're eating regularly and your basic needs are met. That's like a really

beautiful place to start because you can really feel a difference, if you're just running out

of stress hormones versus when you're eating food again.

But even just for anybody just like mirror work, you can literally look in the mirror and

just tell yourself: I love you or say kind things to yourself. Often at first it feels weird, I

don't believe this, but like give it like a week straight of doing this and you'll definitely

notice the difference. So it'll become easier. And like when it becomes easier, like I said,

with that charge moving, you know that some blocks or hindrances have been removed,

even just by you taking that action to tell yourself kind things about yourself. Something

else, like for example, when you're laying in bed at night, if you just put your hand on

your heart, or say like your arm or your stomach or anywhere that you might have pain

or that might you might not feel like you love that much if you just start connecting to itwith like compassion and opening your heart to it, you can start to cultivate a

relationship with your body and that can really start to help foster more self love too.

Johanna: I have a friend who she buys herself flowers. She doesn't expect her

husband to do it or friends or family or anything else, but randomly she buys herself

flowers and she loves fresh cut flowers. And so that's one thing on a regular basis that

she does. I know somebody else who she's very into skincare and she's got all the

gizmo and gadgets for it. And she has a routine, she has a routine, she sticks to the

routine and nothing is going to sway her from not doing the skincare routine because

the face that she has, or the skin that she has with no blemishes, and she's got

incredible skin, incredible skin.

Vanessa: That commitment to self. Like it can show up in early anyway, just those little

things is often how you can really start to shift it, without just dedicating all day every

day to inner work and things.

Johanna: Yeah, I had heard at some point, I think some commentaries about male hair

transplants, and I'm only going to mention this because I have a podcast episode

coming up that will be targeted for male hair transplants. But, the commentary that was

around this is that: oh, these are very egotistical men who are doing this, and these are

very conceited, very vain, very this or that, but then on the other side is like, when it

actually hits you in this case a male person or a male going through hair loss, and

they're contemplating a hair transplant then they see that it's not necessarily because of

vain it's because a) it makes them feel good or b) because they want their hair and they

have no hope or they have no alternatives.

And so, do you ever find that people like switch sides where they attack maybe that

position and then they're like: okay, nevermind. I'm in the boat now, it's therefore

different.

Vanessa: Yeah. It's the same as if you get a facial or get your hair done or get your

nails done, it seems like so many times it's not out of vanity. It's just this makes me feel

good. Like I feel it boosts my confidence or, I love myself a little bit more whether it's just

a change in hair color or, feeding yourself meals, it doesn't have to be seen like that, it's

the same as like having your basic needs met, like showering isn't vanity, right? It's

basic hygiene. I think that people can have lack of compassion sometimes with things.

But, I think if you're doing it and you know why you're doing it, even if it is. I guess you

could say out of vanity if it's for looks, but is vanity really like the worst thing like to care

about how you look, right?

I guess I don't know the specific definition of vanity, but it's not necessarily that you're

obsessed with yourself because you like the way you look or you want to like the way

you look. It's just comfort in your own skin.

Johanna: In many ways, just hearing you speak, what kind of rang for me is that

alopecia and the healing of it could also be viewed as vanity could also be viewed as,non essential, right? And so if you go to doctors, especially to those abroad, they're like:

Oh, alopecia. Oh, non essential. Therefore there's nothing we can do for you and they

turn you away. That was my actual experience, that's why I was just like, no, I am going

to heal myself. My hair does mean a lot to me, it means everything to me, hence why I

went through the struggle for 4 years. Hence why I wanted to heal myself naturally,

cause I knew it was possible, just like you knew that healing was possible for you.

This is huge because it's not superficial. Even though it's on the outside, it's not

superficial. This is just like healing thyroid or healing yourself from cancer or anything

else. It's just as important. So how do we tell somebody that this is just as important,

healing their hair loss, regardless of the type of hair loss, and encourage them to move

forward in that direction and have them see that this is just as important as it is healing

any other ailment or symptom or health concern? Because when it comes to hair loss,

for example, people with one autoimmune disease go on to acquire a second and a

third.

So if you're not taking action, that second and third are more than likely going to pop up.

And they do pop up. I've seen 6 year olds with 3 autoimmune diseases. I've seen, 40

year olds, 30 year olds with multiple autoimmune diseases. And many times now I

actually see people for female pattern hair loss, not necessarily the alopecia areata

totalis or universalis. So they have female pattern baldness, or they have a different

type of hair loss, but then they also have Crohn's, they also have IBS, they also have

Hashimoto's or Graves. And so they could have different types of autoimmune diseases

and hair loss, but the hair loss isn't necessarily autoimmune. And so this is also a

fascinating situation because for each of these people, I'm helping them heal and

reverse their hair loss, but then we're also helping those autoimmune diseases from the

ground up and having them heal and reverse it and see amazing progress.

But how do we encourage people out there listening that: Hey, taking that next step, you

healing your hair loss is not vanity, it's not just self love, but it's beyond. This is your

health. We all know that health is wealth and it penetrates and trickles down into every

aspect of our lives. Whether that's how we show up at work, dating, our relationships

with children, with our parents, with our spouses, or even in our hobbies. I've met

numerous people who they stopped wanting to go swimming or they won't go out when

it's windy because their hair might flip and then they'll see the bald spots or what have

you or, they just want to be a hermit crab. And so how do we encourage them that

healing is available to them and that this is actually an act of self love?

Vanessa: I think one thing to remember is that it is all connected. And like I said, I

haven't dealt with extreme hair loss, but, I had receding hairline and bloating and like

cystic acne and skin issues and weight gain and these things that affect my

appearance. I know the way that it can lead to self isolation and like shame spirals, but

our bodies are always communicating and trying to tell us something. So I think if we

hold on to anything throughout that process, it's that our bodies will always inform us

when there's an imbalance present and that doesn't necessarily look a certain way for

everybody, right?So hair, they say it's like the excess cells and things, that's what hair growth is, but the

lack thereof, there is some sort of imbalance usually, and like why isn't your body feeling

nourished enough to grow that hair? It all comes back to your health at its core

because.

The hair loss is a symptom in itself in a way, whether it's hair loss or acne or bloating or,

whatever it might be, hormonal issues it's impacting your health or it's showing you an

impact in your health. So I think learning the ways that your body is speaking to you is

really important because your symptoms are often how your body is telling you

something is off, but, the body's not the enemy, the body's a messenger. And, they say

don't blame or don't shoot the messenger. It's truly working in your favor all the time just

to let you know, hey there's an imbalance. Hey: We don't have the resources for this.

Usually it's saving your life by compensating in some way. Like it's always in your

highest good. And you're always in your highest favor.

Johanna: Agreed. So tell me any other words of advice or tips or tricks in terms of

energy healing and how we can begin to incorporate this.

Vanessa: I think one thing that's really important to remember is holding that knowing

that it's occurring for your highest good, whatever it might be. Like you said, like rock

bottom can often be a blessing in disguise. Like any symptom can really be a blessing

in disguise because I think most of us would rather know that something's going on than

have no idea. Not to get spiritual or anything, but looking at your experience from an

expanded lens, like taking your viewpoint and just zooming way out and seeing it from a

perspective that is just neutral, there's no good or bad per se, but there just is. And so

we will often find that, the journey that we're on or the experience that we're having is an

experience of some aspect of us desire to have and it's ultimately for our own evolution

and growth and probably in our own favor, even when it really doesn't feel like it.

But just trusting that your body is, it always has your best interest in mind and it's always

watching out for you even like I know an autoimmune it can feel like your body's

attacking you, but there's an imbalance or there is something going on within. And I do

think, if you think of that aspect of autoimmune and the body attacking itself, I think it

can also come back to self love to a degree, obviously not to say self love will heal

autoimmune, but just in the energetics of it, loving yourself can create this, like you said,

Joe Dispenza, I think he talks about love and gratitude and the way that it literally

changes your cellular structure and like everything comes into a coherent state of

healing. I think that's really important to remember just the power that we hold within

ourselves and to remember that this is helping us in some way.

Johanna: It definitely is. And for those who move forward and who overcome this, it's

not just a huge learning lesson, even from my own standpoint. This was a huge life

lesson that I wish I would have actually gotten sooner rather than later. But potentially

had I got it when I was 18 or 12, it would have looked a lot different than doing it in my

thirties. So I'm grateful for the journey, I'm grateful for overcoming it, and I'm grateful foreverything that it taught me. And how I could be a vessel to help others. And just like

you, you're helping others as well. I think that's the biggest blessing is to be like the

lotus flower, to emerge from the muck, from the mud. And shine so brightly regardless of

what's behind us because that's exactly it. The lotus flower is sitting on top of mud on

top of this darkness and it's just shining so beautifully and it's shining towards the world.

And I always think that there's a reason as to why things happen and it's not just about

getting to the root cause or to the why of it all, but what is this teaching me? And always

end with that. What is this teaching me? Where am I going with this? And how can I

benefit from this in the terms of, make this a positive? How can I make every aspect,

even if it's a bad situation, into a positive? I think that mindset is really drilling into the

strong mindset and how to be mentally strong, because I think that's what we need

more of, we need to really cultivate a strong sense of self, a strong mental capacity that:

Okay, not everything is given to me just because it didn't necessarily come out of

nowhere, even though that's how I felt at the time, but there's a reason for it and there's

a purpose for it even bigger than you, even bigger. How'd I know?

Vanessa: We don't always learn in ways that are easy and positive. And sometimes,

like you said I'm that stubborn person that you might've described earlier. Like it took me

getting to that point to be like: Okay, something's going on, what can I do? And to realize

that it's not all just rainbows and butterflies. Sometimes it can be hard, but when I look

back at what I learned and the self connection that I developed, and I wouldn't probably

never found energy healing if I hadn't went through something that was so hard. And

that's unfortunately the way that we often do come to some of our greatest gifts, is

through hardship.

But like you said, like taking that and the Phoenix rising from the ashes, how can you

better the world with it?

Johanna: 100% and when you start looking at all the successful people out there,

everyone from Tony Robbins to Elon Musk and so on and so forth, they didn't just come

out of nowhere and they didn't just have the escalator waiting for them to shoot them up

to a certain level. It's a lot of failed attempts, it's a lot of. successes, but it's also a lot of

failed attempts. And I think that's the other side that people maybe don't see, right?

Because we always like to see in the headlines: Oh, so successful dah. So great. We

see all these headlines, but the backstory to all these people, including Joe Dispenza,

including Tony Robbins, including you name it, is that they had a obstacle or multiple

obstacles to get to where they are. And they just kept moving forward.

I think that's the biggest takeaway is like, if you're on this mission, in this case to heal

your hair loss, if you're on this mission to be done with it once and for all, keep moving

forward. Or in Vanessa's case, an autoimmune disease or in anything else, it's just keep

moving forward, keep, taking those baby steps, whether it's baby steps, the sprint, the

marathon, just keep going and you will find the right person to heal you. You will be able

to try different methods and methodologies that either support you or help you.Cause not everything's going to be like the one ticket to hair growth or the one ticket to

reversing Hashimoto's or thyroiditis or anything else. But at the same time, when you do

implement the one ticket, that's where I think the magic happens.