This episode features an inspiring personal journey of overcoming a 17-year struggle with alopecia universalis. Lindsi shares her experience with the Hair N’ Heal program, which led to significant hair growth within just 4 weeks after years of trying various treatments with minimal success.

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Johanna: So tell me, how are things going with you and the program?

Lindsi: Really good! We're on week 6 of the total restart and I've got all these nice, fine, little fluffy, white fuzzies coming in over here and over here, so it's reboot. Energetic level, way better. Emotional status, much better.

Johanna: Good, when I got your email, I was like: Wow, how insightful was this, to go balls to the walls with food and travel and life and then have those ahas come in and be like: Okay, this is why, this is what I need to do, and we're going and we're moving in.

Lindsi: Yeah, exactly. It's been revelational, actually, and just been coasting ever since we've come back.

Johanna: Good. What other ahas or what other insight did, this last trip give you?

Lindsi: How to eat the food I need to eat, but still for it to be delicious and fantastic and wonderful. Because I used to say that food was the greatest pleasure of my life and then, food, was a major contributing factor to me losing all my hair. It was difficult to make sure that alopecia was gone and gone for good, which I don't think I took it subconsciously. I think it was a lot harder for me at the time. I was like: Hey, yeah, of course I can do this. Like grand optimist, let's go. But like I said, there was a lot more kind of behind the scenes subconscious suffering that I wasn't very aware of until the trip.

And then. France and Germany was so amazing. I would say half of the trip's fantastic, qualities were because of the food. So amazing. Whilst we were in Germany, we ate dinner at a restaurant that was once my great grandfather's tavern.

Johanna: Oh, wow.

Lindsi: It was amazing. So to get to, to just go for it and be free and eat the schnitzel and the dumplings and just know that the program is here. It's laid out and my healing is directly correlated to my commitment to myself. So if I want to go for the schnitzel and the dumplings right now, okay, there might be a price to pay for it. When am I ever going to be back in Germany? I don't honestly know. I may not, so we went for it and I'm so grateful that we did and we had that experience and I can still taste it, but I don't need to eat it here.
Johanna: What part of Germany were you in?

Lindsi: We were in Bavaria and doing the ancestral walk and seeing where my family is from and it dates back to about the 16th century there and I wanted to go my whole life and it was incredible to set foot in a place and feel so at home somewhere I've never been before.

Johanna: That's so awesome. Good for you. I loved your email especially because of the ahas because of this trip and now I'm starting to understand like the ancestry part of it, which has a deeper meaning. It wasn't just you know a girl's trip, It wasn't just a weekend trip to mexico. This was like something bigger and it's during these bigger moments that we almost allow ourselves the width and the time and space to take it all in to take it all in and to be like: Okay, this is happening, this is where I came from. These are my roots. And this is also the path that I need to take and the word commitment is so key.

I actually just finished recording a podcast episode today about commitment, which will probably either air next week or the week after, but it's all about commitment. Because again, if you're not committed and you're like on the fence of is this going to work? Is this not going to work? Am I going to get my hair? Am I not going to get my hair? then you're just going to be like an analysis paralysis. It's never going to come through. But when you're committed, you're like, come hell or high water, whatever comes my way, this is going to happen and it's going to work.

Lindsi: That's right. That's right. Johanna: Because you're in control.
Lindsi: Totally. And I think when we initially started this journey 10 months ago, I was committed because I wanted my hair back. Now I'm committed because a) I've seen that it works b) I feel incredible c) My energy is through the roof. I have all of these other side effects that are so amazing. I'm sleeping better than I've slept in the last six years. I'm committed to my yoga practice. Before I would, begrudgingly get into my yoga practice because I knew that it would help and it would, it was part of the lifestyle shifts that I needed to reintegrate to get back to it. That's the wrong energy to come at this with. It's so deep this journey, and it goes beyond just like you need to do this. And be like: Okay I'm going to do it.

But it's if you aren't feeling aligned with it, it's not going to go as easily as you wanted to. I think for me, a huge part of it was like, I was seeing results, big results by month 5 and a part of me was anxious and I wanted it faster and I wanted it more rather than just being grateful for what I was seeing and continuing on with the journey. It was because all of this background anxiety and desire was peaking its way through, hence why I started to cheat before I was supposed to, which I knew I was not supposed to do. But, it allowed for life to take the course of this grand revelation. This is an amazing
opportunity to save myself from a lot of ailments and illness that could potentially have come my way. We just celebrated Canadian Thanksgiving here and my family was like...

Johanna: Happy Thanksgiving!

Lindsi: Thanks! It's coming up for you soon too! We went around and we said what we were grateful for and I had no idea that this was going to come up but alopecia was what I was grateful for. I was really grateful for the opportunities that it gave me to actually see how truly strong I am for it to break down all these egotistical barriers around beauty and self worth. So much of our self worth as women has to do with our looks and man, did that shatter and dissipate when all of this went down? And I'm so glad that it did. And I'm so grateful that I found you and the program because it has not only helped me, but it's helped my family, it's helped my loved ones, it's had ripples in my community. There's nothing more beautiful than when we find people who can help us like you would do for so many people Johanna, it's really inspiring and I'm just eternally grateful to you.

Johanna: Thank you, thank you, I appreciate your beautiful words. Thank you. I just spoke at a summit right before us having this conversation.

Lindsi: Cool.

Johanna: And it was a summit around motherhood and postpartum hair loss and all these things. And, at different times of our life, there's going to be different needs and different wants. I almost see now as a mom in my 40s that I am grateful for alopecia, but I'm grateful because all those things that I thought when I was younger mattered, no longer matter. What people think, how people view you whether you're wearing makeup or not, whether your hair is done or not, whether you're 10 kilos or 20 kilos over or not, all these things, at the end of the day, what matters is having no regrets, not settling for a life that we just are receiving versus us creating and I think the other side to this is doing more for ourselves. For example, you speaking about your friends and family who are curious and who are willing and able to try different diets, different lifestyles, different things to move the needle for their health.

That's huge because we have so much power. We have so much control and we give it all away to doctors, we give it all away to everyone else, to Vogue magazine, to, TikTok, to Instagram, to anyone else who thinks that they know more or better than us for us when that's not the case.

Lindsi: So crazy, right? And I think a huge part of it too, is like denial. The mind is so powerful, and if we can align ourselves, mind, body and spirit, there's nothing we cannot conquer. I lived in denial of having alopecia for half my life for 17 years, I would lose a bit of hair and I'd be like: No, this isn't happening, this isn't happening. And somehow it would go away and we would continue. And so I would never deal with it. There was so much shame and denial around it. I didn't want to tell anybody what I was experiencing for me to say that I was losing my hair was just this unconquerable fear. And then it all
went and there was no choice, but to just be like: Okay, I guess I have to speak about this.

We aren't handed anything that we can't handle and if I didn't have full hair loss, I wouldn't have dealt with it, and who knows what other health issues would have come down the line. So everything happens the way that it is meant to. I have always believed that and this is just one of those bigger, crazy experiences, but, it's been amazing, ultimately.

Johanna: That's so beautiful for you to say that, and recognize that. Because sometimes people get in our own ways. We, as humans, we like to get in our own ways, we believe the nonsense, we feed ourselves. We believe the limiting beliefs, the limitations, that people say: Oh, there's no cure: Oh there's no this. Oh, there's no help. Oh, there's no possibility. And none of that's true. In regards to doing the program, how easy do you find it?

Lindsi: Oh God, the first three months were not easy at all. It was super hard to restructure, but then once you get in a rhythm and you get going, it gets easier and easier. So it's, if you want to heal and you want to heal the natural way, nothing worth having comes easy. And I'm really glad that I had such a hard time because now the second time that I'm starting again, easy breezy. It's night and day difference from where it started. And through the alopecia community that I have, I know a woman who started to take JAK inhibitors, which is not my path but it took her 6 months of taking 25 milligrams of this drug a day, which is wreaking havoc on her body, by the way, to see any sort of hair growth.

So if it took 6 months of taking a pharmaceutical every day, but I had seen hair growth in 4 weeks, both times that I've done this, that right there is massive for me. And so we'll just continue to all it's a holistic approach, like you always say. I don't need to go and get my blood checked all the time because I'm taking some pharmaceutical just so I'll have hair. In fact, I know that I'm healthier than I've ever been. My skin is radiant, I'm like, waking up at 5:30 excited to hit my yoga mats. I'm like enjoying my presence in my time with my kids so much more, I haven't been sick in 9 months. There's so many other things at play. And so it just, I think, requires us to be hyper aware and extremely present.

Johanna: That's beautiful. I also think that your mindset and that energy shift is everything. The mindset is everything. It's can I or can I not, and if you tell yourself you can't, then you can't. If you tell yourself you can, then you'll make it, you'll make it happen one way or another and you can. We can do anything that's hard. Women give birth, that's hard, after that, anything else is easy.

Lindsi: Yeah. Totally. But it's like the mindset, you can't force it. It's something that I think naturally blooms, so too will your mental health as you navigate this. So fake it till you make it a thing at the beginning I can do this, I can do this. I will have full reversal of alopecia. You just keep telling yourself that as a mantra until eventually the mind will
switch and it'll be like: Oh, yeah. Yes, absolutely and believe it. I wanted to believe it right away, like off out of the gates, but there was a niggling, a questioning and that is gone.

Johanna: That's beautiful. What would you say to anyone who's on the fence of joining the program?

Lindsi: I was totally on the fence. I thought that I was like super healthy person, I had my diet dialed in, I had a natural path and a homeopath and a TCM practitioner and all the things on my team, and I was good. And then I met with you and you were like, that's great. I love to hear all that. Absolutely, these things are supporting you, however. Are you seeing any hair growth? That's right. And so then it was, two months later I signed up for the program and I mean it's hard for anyone to hear like some criticism, this is what you're doing wrong, but we can only grow from a place of discomfort.

Shaking it up and going for it I promise you that if you commit to yourself and this journey, it's gonna happen for you. And you can listen to me, you can listen to all the wonderful people who have been on your podcast before, who have testament to their experience and it working, it'll work. Patience, practice, perseverance, these are all key things that are going to guide you through the program and through your life. Like I truly think that joining the program has helped me become a better person. The experience with alopecia has made me a better person. And it's also allowed me to have the support of you. And so for someone to join the program and have your support, and also know they're not alone, that there's hundreds of people like them who too have had the courage and the commitment to take this step. I feel better knowing that there's so many other people who are going through this journey too. Like it just gives me strength to know that they're out there.

Johanna: That's beautiful. Thank you. In regards to seeing hair growth at 4 weeks, both times with, doing the program and then doing it again, that's astounding. You're one of one of my many statistics and I love seeing that. How did you feel? Is this the most hair growth quickly after working with somebody where you saw so much progress?

Lindsi: When I was like 17, 18, I think I was getting cortisone injections into my scalp, which was extremely painful and left me being sick all the time. It would take 6 weeks to see any sort of shift, like the fastest to see any sort of hair growth. Usually it would be like 6 weeks for it to stop falling out. At which point I went for another round. So it would take, yeah, like 5-6 months usually to see any sort of hair growth in the affected areas. So this is huge. There's such cute little white fuzzies and every day now, it's like I'm just checking out my head and feeling around and there's like random little ones on my hairline, on my neck sprouting up. It's the more sensitivity we get to our body, the more we are connected with our body, the more you're gonna see, which is such a cool, byproduct of the program. It's because you have to drop in with yourself. You have to be present to heal this.
If you want to heal, this is the path. I have done all the research, I think, under the sun, I have read so much. My grandmother is a doctor and she was the head of medical research in the province of Alberta for 35 years. We went through as much as we could, and the only person that I have found to offer a holistic approach to healing from the inside out that isn't just a blanket fix like jack inhibitors, you stop taking it, your hair falls out again, cortisone injections, you stop doing it, your hair will fall out again. This is the only thing that I have found that will reverse it and see you done with it for good. And I'm in it for the long haul baby like it doesn't matter how long it takes for me to get all my hair back, it will come back, and I think we get caught up on, especially as millennials get caught up on this immediate gratification, we want it and we want it now like that just unfortunately is not how it's going to go here.

So talk to other people who've been through what you're going through. See what they've heard. Have they found anyone who can help them grow their hair back? No? I have, Johanna. Go for it.

Johanna: Tell me, in your community, when you see other people, like the lady you had mentioned who's on JAK inhibitors, and it took her like 6 months to see hair growth. From my perspective, and you tell me yours, from my perspective, I see that there's a couple of different types of alopecians out there. There's people who want to heal like you and I, there's people who have a closed mindset and who don't think that if it doesn't come from a doctor's office, it's not happening. I've also found that people, just take in this, woe is me, this is my destiny, my body's failed me, and I just have to accept it and move on type situation. Whether they do or not, we don't know because that's an internal process. But those are like the 3 categories that I found, like the fighters, the people who accept, and the people who are just like settling.

Lindsi: Yeah, definitely. I think you spoke about this one man that you had met who had universalis and you were like: Hey, you don't have to live with this. Like I can help you, and he was like: Nah, I'm good. Like I don't think I would know what to do. I know exactly what you're talking about. There's one woman who is like remarkably beautiful, but she's just not interested, but she likes her fillers and her cosmetic surgery and that just doesn't align putting toxins into your body is not going to align with detoxifying your body.

And so she rocks wigs and does her thing and is like completely accepted the experience. But I too, for a long time I thought that my alopecia was like my penance for shitty things that I've said and done in my life. And then through this experience, like I've had this huge wake up in a women's circle, actually, where I was just like: That is gross conditioning of this world. I am worthy of healing and health and my hair, it's my birthright. This kind of martyrdom that we take on, no, I don't need that. Nobody needs that.

As a human being, you have hair on your head, and your body for a reason, and nothing you say or do is a reason that you shouldn't have that, that you shouldn't be healthy. So again, yeah, it's not easy, but it's so worth it because at the end of any sort
of adversity, the gift is joy. The gift is like lightness and happiness. over pleasure and immediate gratification.

Johanna: Lovely. It's so lovely to hear you speak this way. Kudos, kudos, kudos to finding the ahas, to finding the path and to committing, to you and to yourself, because even though I'm here and I'm honored to be a part of your journey, it's really you doing all the work. So this is a huge testament to you and to your commitment to you. So again, kudos and congratulations that you are seeing hair growth again, on the right path again.

Lindsi: I appreciate it. I really have tried, I did a lot of things, and this is the one that works, for sure.

Johanna: Amen. Sister, amen. Anything else you'd like to leave our listeners with? Any last partying thoughts, ideas, tips?

Lindsi: You are worthy of healing. You are worthy of 100% reversal of alopecia and the commitment to yourself is the most important thing that you could ever do, so go for it.

Johanna: Amen. Thank you so much, Lindsi, thank you, thank you so much. You are a shining light, a beautiful example of what's possible, not just for you, but for so many other women, children and men going through alopecia. And this is huge because again, we have that choice to say: Nope, I want my hair. I want my health or I'm okay with it. I can accept it. We all have a choice and it's about really. honoring ourselves and that choice. If you want it, and if you have that gut instinct that nudge that's telling you: Hey, I want this, go for it. Don't limit yourself, whether you want the promotion, you want to date the your high school sweetheart or whatever it is go for it, just. No regrets. No regrets.

Lindsi: That's that's a really good point, Johanna. I always had this feeling of course I can heal this from the inside. But how? How are we going to do it? And then I remember when we first talked, I was like: I feel like the system, like there's this puzzle of alopecia and you have figured out all the pieces and then it's up to each individual person to put that puzzle together. And so if you feel like you resonate with this and you feel like you can do this 100% you can take the lead.

Johanna: Amen. Amen. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.